Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell

Started by Solar, January 09, 2020, 10:42:51 AM

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Quote from: joesixpack on January 09, 2020, 01:09:02 PM
No, no, I get it. More competition for employees presumably means jobs have to compete and pay more.

But I looked up Taco Bells profits and they're making the same amount of money now that they made during the Recession/Recovery.

They could've paid it before if they wanted to.

Profits might be the same like you claim but the jobs market wasn't. These overqualified manager had nowhere else to go so they took these jobs. Now that the jobs market opened up in Trump's economy these overqualified managers took their skills elsewhere leaving Taco Bell and others calling them back with big money offers.
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Quote from: Bronx on January 16, 2020, 06:46:17 AM
Profits might be the same like you claim but the jobs market wasn't. These overqualified manager had nowhere else to go so they took these jobs. Now that the jobs market opened up in Trump's economy these overqualified managers took their skills elsewhere leaving Taco Bell and others calling them back with big money offers.

Yup. They're considering raising wages because they think they have to, not because they want to.
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Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 07:22:32 AM
Yup. They're considering raising wages because they think they have to, not because they want to.

There is nothing wrong with the strategy you outline in your post. The market place is working. Sure Taco Bell would prefer not to have to offer this pay scale as their goal is to maximize profits.
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Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 07:22:32 AM
Yup. They're considering raising wages because they think they have to, not because they want to.
Like I've stated before, in central Texas, there are businesses looking to hire at over $15 an hour. These are entry jobs, stocking, checking, ect. They are offering this because unemployment is 3%. This is how you raise the minimum wage, not by having the government, which knows very little about business, tell the business owner how much to pay his employees. Having the government set wages leads to higher unemployment and kills the small businessman. You stated "they think they have to" like it was a bad thing. Let me ask a question, when you  get the bill from the doctor, are you going to write a check for double the amount because it would be the good liberal thing to do, are will you write a check for the amount owed? Joe, you just had a kid, one of these days he might get his first job at age 16 carrying out groceries which is towards the lower end of the wage scale. Will you expect the government to step in and demand the company pay his a living wage, or will you want him to go get his high school diploma, go to college, get his degree, and better himself in order to get that better paying job??

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Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 11:40:23 AM
Like I've stated before, in central Texas, there are businesses looking to hire at over $15 an hour. These are entry jobs, stocking, checking, ect. They are offering this because unemployment is 3%. This is how you raise the minimum wage, not by having the government, which knows very little about business, tell the business owner how much to pay his employees. Having the government set wages leads to higher unemployment and kills the small businessman. You stated "they think they have to" like it was a bad thing. Let me ask a question, when you  get the bill from the doctor, are you going to write a check for double the amount because it would be the good liberal thing to do, are will you write a check for the amount owed? Joe, you just had a kid, one of these days he might get his first job at age 16 carrying out groceries which is towards the lower end of the wage scale. Will you expect the government to step in and demand the company pay his a living wage, or will you want him to go get his high school diploma, go to college, get his degree, and better himself in order to get that better paying job??

Let me give my own example...

My father in law needed some roof work done recently. He got a few quotes that were too expensive. He's on a fixed income.

So, he started asking around and got an immigrant to do it for much less. But, he didn't pay just what the guy was asking, he paid extra because he could. He couldn't afford 10K, but he still paid the most he could. Even though the guy was willing to do it for less.

I guess it's akin to tipping at a restaurant.


And to answer your question, it can be both. A living wage, imo, is enough to get a studio and maintain yourself (although,I I believe it's been said it was enough to maintain a family of 3 in the past). I would like that to be the minimum wage and I would also like whoever is making that to aspire to make a bit more.

But, if they're working full time, they should be able to maintain themselves with their job, whatever that may be.
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Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 12:11:57 PM
Let me give my own example...

My father in law needed some roof work done recently. He got a few quotes that were too expensive. He's on a fixed income.

So, he started asking around and got an immigrant to do it for much less. But, he didn't pay just what the guy was asking, he paid extra because he could. He couldn't afford 10K, but he still paid the most he could. Even though the guy was willing to do it for less.

I guess it's akin to tipping at a restaurant.


And to answer your question, it can be both. A living wage, imo, is enough to get a studio and maintain yourself (although,I I believe it's been said it was enough to maintain a family of 3 in the past).
Nope, never happened, I know, I made min wage since the 60s through out the 80s.

QuoteI would like that to be the minimum wage and I would also like whoever is making that to aspire to make a bit more.

But, if they're working full time, they should be able to maintain themselves with their job, whatever that may be.
Have you ever actually thought through that idiocy?
If min wage was set as a living wage, it would totally kill all entry level jobs for people entering the work force.
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Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 01:09:17 PM
Nope, never happened, I know, I made min wage since the 60s through out the 80s.
Have you ever actually thought through that idiocy?
If min wage was set as a living wage, it would totally kill all entry level jobs for people entering the work force.

In 1968, the minimum wage for most workers was $1.60 an hour. An employee working at that rate for 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, would have earned $3,328. That was above the poverty thresholds that year for a three person-household: $2,817 annually for a home headed by a man and $2,516 for a home headed by a woman.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/politifact-majority-of-minimum-wage-earners-in-1968-could-support-family/2171338/



It's just the numbers.

http://www.pdmiami.com/federal_poverty_guidelines.htm

For minimum wage to keep a family of 3 our of poverty it would only have to be raised to $10.25

I think in another thread on here I advocated for something around 10 or 11 bucks also
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Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 12:11:57 PM
Let me give my own example...

My father in law needed some roof work done recently. He got a few quotes that were too expensive. He's on a fixed income.

So, he started asking around and got an immigrant to do it for much less. But, he didn't pay just what the guy was asking, he paid extra because he could. He couldn't afford 10K, but he still paid the most he could. Even though the guy was willing to do it for less.

I guess it's akin to tipping at a restaurant.


And to answer your question, it can be both. A living wage, imo, is enough to get a studio and maintain yourself (although,I I believe it's been said it was enough to maintain a family of 3 in the past). I would like that to be the minimum wage and I would also like whoever is making that to aspire to make a bit more.

But, if they're working full time, they should be able to maintain themselves with their job, whatever that may be.

Nope. Our economy offers opportunity. If one is in a job that is not fulfilling their needs they should either adjust their needs or improve their skill set to find a job that fulfills their needs. This thought is based on one being capable of self sufficiency.
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Solar

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 01:20:30 PM
In 1968, the minimum wage for most workers was $1.60 an hour. An employee working at that rate for 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, would have earned $3,328. That was above the poverty thresholds that year for a three person-household: $2,817 annually for a home headed by a man and $2,516 for a home headed by a woman.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/politifact-majority-of-minimum-wage-earners-in-1968-could-support-family/2171338/



It's just the numbers.

http://www.pdmiami.com/federal_poverty_guidelines.htm

For minimum wage to keep a family of 3 our of poverty it would only have to be raised to $10.25

I think in another thread on here I advocated for something around 10 or 11 bucks also
It also mattered where you live, whether or not you needed a car, were you close to amenities, etc.
No, here in Ca min wage was never a living wage nor meant to be. It was designed to keep predatory employers from screwing workers, and has since out lived its need, as Unions have outlived their usefulness as well because we have laws covering every aspect of employment.

You still haven't addressed my point about raising a min wage to a living wage and how it will effect the entry level employee.
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Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 12:11:57 PM
Let me give my own example...

My father in law needed some roof work done recently. He got a few quotes that were too expensive. He's on a fixed income.

So, he started asking around and got an immigrant to do it for much less. But, he didn't pay just what the guy was asking, he paid extra because he could. He couldn't afford 10K, but he still paid the most he could. Even though the guy was willing to do it for less.

I guess it's akin to tipping at a restaurant.


And to answer your question, it can be both. A living wage, imo, is enough to get a studio and maintain yourself (although,I I believe it's been said it was enough to maintain a family of 3 in the past). I would like that to be the minimum wage and I would also like whoever is making that to aspire to make a bit more.

But, if they're working full time, they should be able to maintain themselves with their job, whatever that may be.
Exactly, now picture your father in law as all the small businesses out there and the government says THIS IS HOW MUCH YOU ARE GOING TO PAY!! Now your in law has to choose, do it himself, only do half the roof, or just go out of business. Joe, there are jobs out there, ex. flipping burgers, that just were not designed to be a career choice, a way to support a family ect. Put it this way, lets say shiff has a job flipping burgers, you want to pay him a living wage. Now shiff starts having kids and now has four , how much are you now going to pay him because now his "living" has just got a whole lot more expensive. What about shiff's alimony since all four have different mothers? Point is a persons living is nobodies business but his own. There are programs out there to help, make sure shiff will not starve ect. but a small business or a large business is not responsible for shiff's living. If shiff does not like his pay, let him better himself to get that better paying job.

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Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 01:38:04 PM
It also mattered where you live, whether or not you needed a car, were you close to amenities, etc.
No, here in Ca min wage was never a living wage nor meant to be. It was designed to keep predatory employers from screwing workers, and has since out lived its need, as Unions have outlived their usefulness as well because we have laws covering every aspect of employment.

You still haven't addressed my point about raising a min wage to a living wage and how it will effect the entry level employee.

Well, let's say minimum wage is raised to $10. Many states are already past that number...

of the 18 States that have a 10+ wage, 7 have unemployment higher than the national average and 11 have unemployment lower than the national average.

So...more good than bad.

https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

Each State should just tie their minimum wage to the Cost of Living and inflation for their State.
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Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:10:15 PM
Well, let's say minimum wage is raised to $10. Many states are already past that number...
Minimum wage kills jobs and business.  Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Quote
of the 18 States that have a 10+ wage, 7 have unemployment higher than the national average and 11 have unemployment lower than the national average.

So...more good than bad.

https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

Each State should just tie their minimum wage to the Cost of Living and inflation for their State.

No. That's Bernie Sanders stupidity talking.  Minimum wage should be $0.
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Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:10:15 PM
Well, let's say minimum wage is raised to $10. Many states are already past that number...

of the 18 States that have a 10+ wage, 7 have unemployment higher than the national average and 11 have unemployment lower than the national average.

So...more good than bad.

https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

Each State should just tie their minimum wage to the Cost of Living and inflation for their State.
this is why canidates such as bernie and warren push the minimum wage so.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/edrensi/2017/01/19/why-it-is-that-unions-fund-the-fight-for-15/#403a3f2150ce

"Traditionally, unions have supported minimum wage initiatives because their contracts have been directly or indirectly tied to the minimum wage. For instance, UNITE contract that covered workers in  Pennsylvania, Ohio, and South Jersey said the following: "Whenever the federal legal minimum wage is increased, minimum wage [in the agreement] shall be increased so that each will be at least fifteen (15%) percent higher than such legal minimum wage."



more union wages = more in dues =more money to give to the democrats.

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Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 02:17:38 PM
this is why canidates such as bernie and warren push the minimum wage so.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/edrensi/2017/01/19/why-it-is-that-unions-fund-the-fight-for-15/#403a3f2150ce

"Traditionally, unions have supported minimum wage initiatives because their contracts have been directly or indirectly tied to the minimum wage. For instance, UNITE contract that covered workers in  Pennsylvania, Ohio, and South Jersey said the following: "Whenever the federal legal minimum wage is increased, minimum wage [in the agreement] shall be increased so that each will be at least fifteen (15%) percent higher than such legal minimum wage."



more union wages = more in dues =more money to give to the democrats.

That might be so for unions...but only  10% of all employees are in unions. Everyone else just wants to get paid more for their labor.
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Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:26:45 PM
That might be so for unions...but only  10% of all employees are in unions. Everyone else just wants to get paid more for their labor.

People want to get paid more you say?
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