Quote from: walkstall on December 21, 2015, 07:00:52 PM

There are a lot of people that have not been arrested that go to court for one reason or another.  But I am sure they will be happy to have someone with an open mine sitting on the jury.

This is true. There I am "assuming" again that we are discussing only criminal trials. Being in a family with quite a number of law enforcement officers...my father, children and both of their spouses as well...guess I've become biased and have little respect for the folks who ultimately dole out to perpetrators the end result of an officer's hard work.

Quote from: Traninit on December 22, 2015, 11:51:49 AM
This is true. There I am "assuming" again that we are discussing only criminal trials. Being in a family with quite a number of law enforcement officers...my father, children and both of their spouses as well...guess I've become biased and have little respect for the folks who ultimately dole out to perpetrators the end result of an officer's hard work.

Not a problem, my wife and myself have been in law enforcement.  I for 5 years and my wife retired out of law enforcement.

Quote from: walkstall on December 22, 2015, 12:59:38 PM
Not a problem, my wife and myself have been in law enforcement.  I for 5 years and my wife retired out of law enforcement.

I haven't been in the club, but my wife also retired from law enforcement as well. 

I voted "it is your civic duty" because in Norway at least you get paid leave for it. I have to serve 6 days in the Norwegian military every year and I get paid leave from work in addition too $18/hour and I get to do participate in military maneuvers and shoot rifles not allowed for citizens here. But if you don't get any compensation for it, and it is a moronic process depending on where you live in the US and might even get punished for it like snoring in the lobby then I would definitely vote get an excuse 

I'd say learn about jury nullification and serve on a jury. Consider not only compliance with the law, but the validity of the law itself.

Quote from: Justaguy on December 24, 2015, 03:15:34 AM
I'd say learn about jury nullification and serve on a jury. Consider not only compliance with the law, but the validity of the law itself.

People see jury duty as a chore, I've always seen it as an opportunity, a time to learn about the law.
I guess it's all in the individuals perspective, even though I see it as an obligation, I'm glad many avoid it for the damage they may inflict upon the innocent.

I see it as the last opportunity for the people to exercise the right of self governance.  Generally, we can't affect national politics.  We can barely affect state politics.  We have more influence on local politics, and on the jury... you can make em really uncomfortable.  I have a friend that's not me who said that if he were ever on a tax case, any tax case, the best the prosecution could hope for is a hung jury.

I will make any excuse to avoid Jury Duty - unless I see an opportunity to free an AMERICAN who is no more that a Victim of Political Correctness. In which case my Jaws will clamp down on that case and I never let go.....

Quote from: SalemCat on December 24, 2015, 04:45:36 PM
I will make any excuse to avoid Jury Duty - unless I see an opportunity to free an AMERICAN who is no more that a Victim of Political Correctness. In which case my Jaws will clamp down on that case and I never let go.....

So only American are victims of Political Correctness.   

DANG!!!

Thought I was in the clear, it's been months since I got the first letter.
Wifey likes to open certain kinds of letters and screen them ahead of time, probably helps my demeanor or something.

'From the Clerk of Court:
You are hereby summoned to appear before the blah, blah of blah county, Virginia
at the courthouse thereof on blah, blah to server as a juror.'

signed blah, deputy clerk

Enclosed is a pink slip (this is funny)

"Do NOT wear:
Hats (always do, look funny without one); halter or tank tops; shirts exposing the midriff (huh?  how am I suppose to scratch my belly botton, pull up the shirt?  That Tee shirt hole's there for a reason!); shirts without sleeves or spaghetti straps; faded or ripped jeans (they all got WEAR on them, pal, my taxes pay your wages - I'm a workin' man!); flip flops; or any inappropriate clothing."  Well, my wedding suit hasn't fit in decades, 'cause my broad shoulders have settled... a little bit.

"Do NOT bring:
Cell phones; pagers; or any electronic devices.  These devices are not allowed and turning the device "off" is not a satisfactory alternative."
... I bet they enforce that more strictly than public intoxication.


and... thanks to all you retired folks with too much time on your hands, making me feel all guilty - I'm compelled to go.
Daughter suggested I start spouting off "Jury Nullification" stuff, and as an extra measure, pass out printed literature in the waiting area... LOL  My luck, I'd be the one going to jail.

This is like a phone call we never get, from those national polling places, "Hell, they never call me and ask me what I think!  I'd give the SOBs a piece of my mind!  Ya wanna know what I REALLY think, do ya?"  News FLASH!!!  We polled "old farts" in Virginia, and they say the economy SUCKS so bad, the market price of 'Shine' is less than the taxes they're avoiding!

If I get picked, I'll probably mope around, fidget in the seat with a sour puss expression - clearly communicating something my mother said before I got spanked, "This is gonna hurt me, more than it hurts you."    With any luck, the poor sap will feel sorry for me, cut a guilty plea, and I'll be home for lunch.

Quote from: Hoofer on January 30, 2016, 08:45:52 AM
DANG!!!

Thought I was in the clear, it's been months since I got the first letter.
Wifey likes to open certain kinds of letters and screen them ahead of time, probably helps my demeanor or something.

'From the Clerk of Court:
You are hereby summoned to appear before the blah, blah of blah county, Virginia
at the courthouse thereof on blah, blah to server as a juror.'

signed blah, deputy clerk

Enclosed is a pink slip (this is funny)

"Do NOT wear:
Hats (always do, look funny without one); halter or tank tops; shirts exposing the midriff (huh?  how am I suppose to scratch my belly botton, pull up the shirt?  That Tee shirt hole's there for a reason!); shirts without sleeves or spaghetti straps; faded or ripped jeans (they all got WEAR on them, pal, my taxes pay your wages - I'm a workin' man!); flip flops; or any inappropriate clothing."  Well, my wedding suit hasn't fit in decades, 'cause my broad shoulders have settled... a little bit.

"Do NOT bring:
Cell phones; pagers; or any electronic devices.  These devices are not allowed and turning the device "off" is not a satisfactory alternative."
... I bet they enforce that more strictly than public intoxication.


and... thanks to all you retired folks with too much time on your hands, making me feel all guilty - I'm compelled to go.
Daughter suggested I start spouting off "Jury Nullification" stuff, and as an extra measure, pass out printed literature in the waiting area... LOL  My luck, I'd be the one going to jail.

This is like a phone call we never get, from those national polling places, "Hell, they never call me and ask me what I think!  I'd give the SOBs a piece of my mind!  Ya wanna know what I REALLY think, do ya?"  News FLASH!!!  We polled "old farts" in Virginia, and they say the economy SUCKS so bad, the market price of 'Shine' is less than the taxes they're avoiding!

If I get picked, I'll probably mope around, fidget in the seat with a sour puss expression - clearly communicating something my mother said before I got spanked, "This is gonna hurt me, more than it hurts you."    With any luck, the poor sap will feel sorry for me, cut a guilty plea, and I'll be home for lunch.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote from: Hoofer on January 30, 2016, 08:45:52 AM
DANG!!!

Thought I was in the clear, it's been months since I got the first letter.
Wifey likes to open certain kinds of letters and screen them ahead of time, probably helps my demeanor or something.

'From the Clerk of Court:
You are hereby summoned to appear before the blah, blah of blah county, Virginia
at the courthouse thereof on blah, blah to server as a juror.'

signed blah, deputy clerk

Enclosed is a pink slip (this is funny)

"Do NOT wear:
Hats (always do, look funny without one); halter or tank tops; shirts exposing the midriff (huh?  how am I suppose to scratch my belly botton, pull up the shirt?  That Tee shirt hole's there for a reason!); shirts without sleeves or spaghetti straps; faded or ripped jeans (they all got WEAR on them, pal, my taxes pay your wages - I'm a workin' man!); flip flops; or any inappropriate clothing."  Well, my wedding suit hasn't fit in decades, 'cause my broad shoulders have settled... a little bit.

"Do NOT bring:
Cell phones; pagers; or any electronic devices.  These devices are not allowed and turning the device "off" is not a satisfactory alternative."
... I bet they enforce that more strictly than public intoxication.


and... thanks to all you retired folks with too much time on your hands, making me feel all guilty - I'm compelled to go.
Daughter suggested I start spouting off "Jury Nullification" stuff, and as an extra measure, pass out printed literature in the waiting area... LOL  My luck, I'd be the one going to jail.

This is like a phone call we never get, from those national polling places, "Hell, they never call me and ask me what I think!  I'd give the SOBs a piece of my mind!  Ya wanna know what I REALLY think, do ya?"  News FLASH!!!  We polled "old farts" in Virginia, and they say the economy SUCKS so bad, the market price of 'Shine' is less than the taxes they're avoiding!

If I get picked, I'll probably mope around, fidget in the seat with a sour puss expression - clearly communicating something my mother said before I got spanked, "This is gonna hurt me, more than it hurts you."    With any luck, the poor sap will feel sorry for me, cut a guilty plea, and I'll be home for lunch.

Hmm... Would they put out money for me to buy a city wardrobe just for them. 
I have to keep an eye on my good wife, she keeps throwing my clothes out when she thinks I need something need.  It's a good thing I dump the garbage. 

I chose civic duty in the poll.

I have been called for jury duty 5 or 6 time in my lifetime. Local and Federal.  First time when I was in my early 30s.  I was thrilled.  Excited to participate in a process that I had only heard about. 

I was called on 3 cases and thrown out on all 3 cases.  The only one I understood why they didn't want me was a paternity case--this was before the availability of DNA testing--  All the women of child bearing age were gotten rid of first.

The other two cases I don't remember.  Years later, at a party, an attorney told me that the reason I was eliminated by one or both of the attorneys was because I had written on the form the fact that my mother was in the process of suing my father's estate for 15 years of unpaid child support.

Fast forward many years and I was called for Federal duty. The case was an appeal case for drug charges.  I told the judge/attorneys that I married a man with children from a previous marriage. Both boys were serious drug addicts by the time they were 12 and 14 years old.  I had a deep hatred for anyone that sold drugs to children and since this person had already been found guilty by 12 people I feared I would not be able to  keep an open mind.  I said that the law should be changed to have such animals publicly executed 5 minutes after being found guilty.

I was not chosen for the jury.

If I were chosen, I'd play the Game just as the Progressives do.

Which is, facts don't matter - the only thing that matters is "how I feel".

Quote from: SalemCat on February 17, 2016, 12:30:58 PM
If I were chosen, I'd play the Game just as the Progressives do.

Which is, facts don't matter - the only thing that matters is "how I feel".

That makes you part of the problem.