He made an observation in regards to flat tax that I had not considered.  I am a big fan of a low rate flat tax, and thought I was pretty well versed on the benefits of it, but I hadn't considered this. 

In populations that don't currently pay taxes, their is a tendency to be politically uninformed.  Perhaps if people were helping to pay for the government, they would have a more vested interest in what is going on?  Like when you save up to pay for something, as opposed to when it is handed to you, you care about it more?

Thoughts?

Quote from: JustKari on October 13, 2012, 08:57:41 AM
He made an observation in regards to flat tax that I had not considered.  I am a big fan of a low rate flat tax, and thought I was pretty well versed on the benefits of it, but I hadn't considered this. 

In populations that don't currently pay taxes, their is a tendency to be politically uninformed.  Perhaps if people were helping to pay for the government, they would have a more vested interest in what is going on?  Like when you save up to pay for something, as opposed to when it is handed to you, you care about it more?

Thoughts?

Excellent point!

Quote from: JustKari on October 13, 2012, 08:57:41 AM
He made an observation in regards to flat tax that I had not considered.  I am a big fan of a low rate flat tax, and thought I was pretty well versed on the benefits of it, but I hadn't considered this. 

In populations that don't currently pay taxes, their is a tendency to be politically uninformed.  Perhaps if people were helping to pay for the government, they would have a more vested interest in what is going on?  Like when you save up to pay for something, as opposed to when it is handed to you, you care about it more?

Thoughts?

Absolutely!!! This concept goes beyond taxes. I think I've brought it up here before.

This is in regard to the "poor" people on medicaid that take advantage of our emergency rooms, and use them as  primary care centers........................which is very expensive and causes back ups and problems. If we were to charge them just $5 for an emergency room visit, it would probably cut the traffic in half.

We don't have to crush the "supposed" poor, but if they associate the actions that they take with a financial expenditure, (even a small one), they will change their behaviors in a way that will be more responsible.

In other words.........................everyone should have a little "skin" in the game. It makes a difference.

I could carry that thought further, with the food stamp program. Recipients would get the food for free, but would be responsible for paying the sales tax on the things they buy. They would be forced to put some thought into their purchases.

Quote from: JustKari on October 13, 2012, 08:57:41 AM
He made an observation in regards to flat tax that I had not considered.  I am a big fan of a low rate flat tax, and thought I was pretty well versed on the benefits of it, but I hadn't considered this. 

In populations that don't currently pay taxes, their is a tendency to be politically uninformed.  Perhaps if people were helping to pay for the government, they would have a more vested interest in what is going on?  Like when you save up to pay for something, as opposed to when it is handed to you, you care about it more?

Thoughts?

Taxing a person's labor and/or wealth is immoral.

Quote from: Shooterman on October 13, 2012, 09:33:30 AM
Taxing a person's labor and/or wealth is immoral

morning Shooter, glad to see you and RP are on this board too 

remember when we were much younger and you could not vote on property taxes if you didn't own property ? that has since been outlawed but always made sense to me - if they have skin in the game, they will most assuredly pay closer attention - not God's rules, just the Constitution ....

Quote from: gBob on October 20, 2012, 09:52:45 AM
morning Shooter, glad to see you and RP are on this board too 

remember when we were much younger and you could not vote on property taxes if you didn't own property ? that has since been outlawed but always made sense to me - if they have skin in the game, they will most assuredly pay closer attention - not God's rules, just the Constitution ....

Welcome aboard gBob, any friend of Shooters is.....well...a friend of Shooters.

J/K Shooter, you know we appreci...tolera....umm we like how you bring good posters to the forum?

We give him a bad time, but he is great at challenging people to think outside the box, way outside the box.

Quote from: gBob on October 20, 2012, 09:52:45 AM
morning Shooter, glad to see you and RP are on this board too 

remember when we were much younger and you could not vote on property taxes if you didn't own property ? that has since been outlawed but always made sense to me - if they have skin in the game, they will most assuredly pay closer attention - not God's rules, just the Constitution ....

Damme, Bob, I am glad to see you here. You've fallen in with a scurvy lot now.



I do not believe non property owners should ever vote in elections that carry the possibility of higher taxes.

Quote from: gBob on October 20, 2012, 09:52:45 AM
morning Shooter, glad to see you and RP are on this board too 

remember when we were much younger and you could not vote on property taxes if you didn't own property ? that has since been outlawed but always made sense to me - if they have skin in the game, they will most assuredly pay closer attention - not God's rules, just the Constitution ....

So what brings you our what gBob?

Quote from: Shooterman on October 20, 2012, 11:02:33 AM
Damme, Bob, I am glad to see you here. You've fallen in with a scurvy lot now.



I do not believe non property owners should ever vote in elections that carry the possibility of higher taxes.

I find the property owners that has a business just pass it on.

Quote from: Shooterman on October 20, 2012, 11:02:33 AM
Damme, Bob, I am glad to see you here. You've fallen in with a scurvy lot now.
Interpretation of scurvy lot: A badge of honor.

QuoteI do not believe non property owners should ever vote in elections that carry the possibility of higher taxes.

I agree, same goes for Govt employees, if they must get a vote, it should only count as a half vote, though, I believe they should have no say whatsoever!

I think I speak for both Shooter and myself in saying we get a little bored with some of the mundane "he said, she said" BS from wence we came, so I am hoping to learn from you financial guru's who have all the knowledge regarding credit and currency derivatives 

Quote from: gBob on October 20, 2012, 12:15:59 PM
I think I speak for both Shooter and myself in saying we get a little bored with some of the mundane "he said, she said" BS from wence we came, so I am hoping to learn from you financial guru's who have all the knowledge regarding credit and currency derivatives 

I believe, Bob, you will find Solar a tad more laid back about linking to other fora, than Admin, whom Solar and many of us have a long history with. Walks, Solar, Taxed, Quiller, Boo of the Booby Fantasies, Toward Liberty, Repub 2. Hell, I'm sure I left out a slew of folks. Some of us go way back.

BTW, Bob, I am sure you will find that Admin is more than happy to have one proselytizing from another fora unto his, but it is a no no to reverse proselytize.

Quote from: Shooterman on October 20, 2012, 02:41:58 PM
BTW, Bob, I am sure you will find that Admin is more than happy to have one proselytizing from another fora unto his, but it is a no no to reverse proselytize.

OT LOL Shooter I just saw "Yankees are like castor oil. Even a small dose is bad".


Dam I am happy I am from the West.   

understood loud and clear Shooter - rather myoptic protectionism, but hey, not my game