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General Category => Financial => Topic started by: Solar on October 26, 2011, 09:31:40 AM

Title: A potential investment?
Post by: Solar on October 26, 2011, 09:31:40 AM
Dan made a point in another thread about Gov involvement picking winners in a free mkt.

Well Hussein did it in alternative energy, particularly solar, currently there is a glut of solar panels on the mkt, and its only going to get worse once the socialists are out of office.

My point is, if you want to make some money in the future, buy up some of these panels, they will eventually be worth their full value, since there will always be a mkt for off grid energy, a mkt I was able to retire in due to demand.
But back when I was selling these panels, they were twice the price they are today, all because of real demand back then.
This false demand is nearing its bottom, and once rebates are erased, demand will hit bottom, but the rebate was only for grid tie systems, off grid application was never offered a rebate.
In other words, no one will be buying panels for awhile, so the price will fall even further in a year, some will even go out of business.

So here is where you can make some money, just buy an amount you can afford to sit on, within less than five short years, the mkt will find its equilibrium and the price per watt will return.
just a thousand dollar investment will double in a few years.

If you find panels that look like a good buy, just ask me and I'll tell you if they are an investment or not.

Just thought I'd pass on a little knowledge from experience.
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: walkstall on October 26, 2011, 11:40:19 AM
I see more and more solar panels going on 5th wheels. 
 
I am using two 6 volt batteries now in place of two 12 volt batteries connected in parallel giving me more amp-hour capacity over two 12 volts.
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Solar on October 26, 2011, 11:59:11 AM
I see more and more solar panels going on 5th wheels. 
 
I am using two 6 volt batteries now in place of two 12 volt batteries connected in parallel giving me more amp-hour capacity over two 12 volts.
They don't make a True 12 volt deep cycle, 6 volt is the way to go.

But you have a ready made mkt in panels with your TV buddies, snag some and sel them for a nice profit. ;)
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Dan on October 26, 2011, 02:00:49 PM
Excellent post Solar and it shows how the solar pannel market is a perfect corrolary to tye housing market. Massive oversupply due to artificial demand resulting from misguided government policies.
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Solar on October 26, 2011, 06:36:54 PM
Excellent post Solar and it shows how the solar pannel market is a perfect corrolary to tye housing market. Massive oversupply due to artificial demand resulting from misguided government policies.
Good point!
Unlike the glut of houses, which will take years to recover from, the solar panel mkt is much smaller now, so when they do start making them again, there will be a demand, and if you bought good quality ones at the bottom of the mkt, you will double your investment.
Like houses, solar panels are not going to change nor improve in the next 30 years, so the ones today, will be the same as the ones in 5 years.

Only difference, houses need upkeep.
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: BILLY Defiant on November 01, 2011, 06:18:42 PM
Its a good idea however a caveat, will the markets be technilogically advanced in five years or so and your model be obsolete?
 
Will it still retain is value?
 
As always with any investeement there is risk.
 
 
Just as a side note, I was looking to invest in stock in some
SOLAR panels and even "green" IPOS but wanted to wait until the market stabilized....glad I didn't sink my money in SOLY....
 
 
Billy
 
Billy
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Solar on November 01, 2011, 08:18:05 PM
Its a good idea however a caveat, will the markets be technilogically advanced in five years or so and your model be obsolete?
 
Will it still retain is value?
 
As always with any investeement there is risk.
 
 
Just as a side note, I was looking to invest in stock in some
SOLAR panels and even "green" IPOS but wanted to wait until the market stabilized....glad I didn't sink my money in SOLY....
 
 
Billy
 
Billy
All good questions to ask.
It depends on what you are buying, take Shell solar mono crystal panels, top of the line over all panels, these panels will still be top of the line in ten years.

The problem with Gov getting involved is, they forced a strange reverse competitive mkt, instead of the industry trying to build a better product, the opposite occurred, they built even cheaper shit.
Like thin film solar, works fine for the first ten years, but then begins to degrade, but its a Hell of a lot cheaper to make, and when you have a whole bunch of new people springing out of the wood work to sell it, they haven't a clue what they are selling to the public, so the public gets ripped off and buys the cheap shit for their house.

Its pretty involved, but if you come across single cut crystal (mono) solar panels, at a real good price, let me know the name and I'll tell you if its a good deal or not.
Stay away from any other type of solar cell, the best out there is and will be for decades to come, is the single cut crystal (mono crystal) cell.
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Dan on November 02, 2011, 06:58:52 AM
Exactly why is it better? Longevity? Efficiency? Ease of installation? What are it's winning features?
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Solar on November 02, 2011, 07:16:41 AM
Exactly why is it better? Longevity? Efficiency? Ease of installation? What are it's winning features?
It will still be producing power 10,000 years from now.
One other thing that sets them apart from the rest is quality, the have the strongest frame on the mkt and human hands never touch the manufacturing process, they treat these cells just like a computer manufacturer would.

One other point, Bell labs invented this technology, and sat dead for nearly a hundred years then ARCO entered the picture, they sold to Siemens and eventually to Shell where they have been absorbed somewhat by Solar World.

But one thing they have done since it was owned by ARCO, is cell matching.
When a panel is made, all the cells match each others output, so you have a panel that will produce the exact same amount as the next one off the assembly line.
The cells that don't pass muster are sold to other manufacturers.

BP is 2nd, and there are many others making good panels, but the Shell panel is the one that all companies benchmark against.
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Dan on November 02, 2011, 07:50:12 AM
Thanks! That makes sense even to a novice like me.  :)
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Solar on November 02, 2011, 09:11:48 AM
Thanks! That makes sense even to a novice like me.  :)
There are other brands out there like those from Japan that are of an excellent quality as well.
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Dan on November 02, 2011, 09:19:55 AM
Whenever I'm ready to buy, I'm just gonna go to you and say "I have this much money to spend, what do I do?"  ;)
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Solar on November 02, 2011, 09:25:45 AM
Whenever I'm ready to buy, I'm just gonna go to you and say "I have this much money to spend, what do I do?"  ;)
:))
OK, and I can get you a good deal, but keep your eyes open over the next couple of years for someone just giving their roof solar system away because it failed due to the fact that it was another component that failed, not the panels and the owner was quoted 10 grand to repair it.

Its coming, I guarantee it! ;)
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: taxed on November 05, 2011, 11:57:00 AM
Does this go for commercial panels as well?  Is the false bottom the same in the commercial market?
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Solar on November 05, 2011, 12:05:53 PM
Does this go for commercial panels as well?  Is the false bottom the same in the commercial market?
Theres no difference in the two, the mkt was a false mkt based on Gov subsidies.
Subsidies that are coming to a screeching halt.

Anyone considering entering the mkt this late in the game is akin to entering a pyramid scheme in the process of being busted by the police.
You'll never see a return...
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Dan on November 06, 2011, 02:29:52 AM
Just like the housing market. Securitizations ending took 20% of the demand out of the market. Just wait till they take away the home interst deduction. And when they finally wind down Fannie and Freddie the bottok is gonna fall out of the market.
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Dan on November 06, 2011, 02:31:07 AM
All govt subsidies do is create unsustainable bubbles like they have done in solar, housing, education and healthcare.
Title: Re: A potential investment?
Post by: Solar on November 06, 2011, 11:11:37 AM
All govt subsidies do is create unsustainable bubbles like they have done in solar, housing, education and healthcare.
Yep, its gov favoring one mkt over another, but politics is a funny business, like solar and the alternative energy mkt, it was totally propped up by gov and the next pols in the WH are going to gut it.

The same may go for HC once they gut Hussein care.