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A Country Ripe for Fascist Takeover. United States of America
« on: February 13, 2016, 11:07:01 AM »
Lets take a look.

Anyone that has been watching Donald Trump rise in America can see that he is favored by workers who make $10 - $15 per hour.  2016 is bringing people fed up with American politicians creating an atmosphere for job loss.

I worked for a company that was taken over in 1995 and proceeded with outsourcing and downsizing.  When I lost my job in 1996 my wage was 20 cents less than I make this year.  Everything has increased except my wage. 

This brutal attack on American workers began with WTO, NAFTA, and continued KORUS, H1b, amnesty........etc.  American workers have to compete with immigrants who are here legally or illegally.  They see their jobs threatened by a prevalent idea that permeates American Manufacturing.  The idea that American workers are lazy and worthless.  The American workers that created this great country.  A free and great country.  The Constitution no longer serves them.  And then there are regulations and benefits for large corporations not to do business in America.  Clinton to Obama.  A huge continuous assault on our country that changes who we are as a country.  And who we serve as elected officials.  We no longer serve the people but the globalized world.  And our globalized world is beginning to look like third world.

Well go back in time to pre Hitler Germany and you will see that we nearly mirror the conditions that allowed a Hitler regime.  I believe that is the rise of Trump in America.  Even though it is all lies and Trump is the biggest business man that would willingly screw any American for cheaper labor.   People don't get it.  They only get that the America of the past isn't the America of today.  They get that its desperate and so are they.

And guess what?  We know that road infrastructure jobs are not American jobs.
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When the stock market collapsed on Wall Street on Tuesday, October 29, 1929, it sent financial markets worldwide into a tailspin with disastrous effects.  The German economy was especially vulnerable since it was built upon foreign capital, mostly loans from America and was very dependent on foreign trade. When those loans suddenly came due and when the world market for German exports dried up, the well oiled German industrial machine quickly ground to a halt.

As production levels fell, German workers were laid off. Along with this, banks failed throughout Germany. Savings accounts, the result of years of hard work, were instantly wiped out. Inflation soon followed making it hard for families to purchase expensive necessities with devalued money.

Overnight, the middle class standard of living so many German families enjoyed was ruined by events outside of Germany, beyond their control. The Great Depression began and they were cast into poverty and deep misery and began looking for a solution, any solution.

Adolf Hitler knew his opportunity had arrived.

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4AURU_enUS517US518&q=Economy+caused+Germany+to+support+Hitler
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This week, Senator Hatch will reportedly introduce “fast track” (trade promotion authority) legislation in the Senate, to help President Obama complete the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), a trade and investment deal with eleven other countries in Asia and the Americas. “Fast Track” authority would allow the President to submit trade agreements to Congress without giving members of Congress the opportunity to amend the deal. Experience has shown that these trade and investment deals typically result in job losses and downward pressure on the wages of most American workers. The last thing America needs is renewal of fast track and more trade and investment deals rushed through Congress.

The administration has claimed that the TPP will create jobs, but it will not. There are other policies that have attracted bipartisan support, including ending currency manipulation and rebuilding infrastructure that could each create millions of U.S. jobs. President Obama has limited political capital to expend with the Republican-controlled Congress and he must choose his policies wisely.

Trade and Jobs?

For more than twenty years, both Democratic and Republican administrations have claimed that free trade agreements like the U.S. – Korea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) and the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) would lead to growing U.S. exports and stimulate creation of goods jobs in the United States. Bill Clinton claimed that NAFTA would create 200,000 jobs in its first two years and a million jobs in five years. President Obama claimed that KORUS would “support 70,000 American jobs” because the agreement would “increase exports of American goods by $10 billion to $11 billion.”

Claims that trade and investment deals would support domestic job creation have proven to be empty promises. Expanding exports alone is not enough to ensure that trade adds jobs to the economy. Increases in U.S. exports tend to create jobs in the United States, but increases in imports lead to job loss—by destroying existing jobs and preventing new job creation—as imports displace goods that otherwise would have been made in the United States by American workers. Thus, it is changes in trade balances—the net of exports and imports—that determine the number of jobs created or displaced by trade and investment deals like NAFTA and KORUS.

More than 5 million U.S. manufacturing jobs were lost between 1997 and 2014, and most of those job losses were due to growing trade deficits with countries that have negotiated trade and investment deals with the United States.

Between 1993 (before NAFTA took effect) and 2013, the U.S. trade deficit with Mexico and Canada increased from $17.0 billion to $177.2 billion, displacing more than 850,000 U.S. jobs. Growing trade deficits and job displacement, especially between the United States and Mexico, were the result of a surge in outsourcing of production by U.S. and other foreign investors. The rise in outsourcing was fueled, in turn, by a surge in foreign direct investment (FDI) into Mexico, which increased by more than 150 percent in the post-NAFTA period.

KORUS took effect in March 2012. Between 2011 and 2014, U.S. exports to Korea increased by about $1 billion, but imports have increased by $13 billion, so the trade deficit has increased by nearly $12 billion. This growing trade deficit with Korea has cost more than 75,000 U.S. jobs.

Then there is China, until now a part of the biggest trade and investment deal of all. In 2000, President Bill Clinton claimed that the agreement then being negotiated to allow China into the World Trade Organization (WTO) would create “a win-win result for both countries.” Exports to China “now support hundreds of thousands of American jobs,” and these figures “can grow substantially with the new access to the Chinese market the WTO agreement creates,” he said.

Between 2001, when China came into the WTO, and 2013 the U.S. trade deficit with China increased $240 billion. These growing trade deficits eliminated 3.2 million U.S. jobs. China became the third largest recipient of FDI in the world, which fueled the growth of thousands of new manufacturing plants that generated exports to the United States and other markets.

http://www.epi.org/blog/fast-track-to-lost-jobs-and-lower-wages/
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Carrier in Indy, UTEC in Huntington to move units to Mexico, costing 2,100 jobs

http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2016/02/10/carrier-move-indy-unit-mexico-eliminate-1400-jobs/80181804/
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Re: A Country Ripe for Fascist Takeover. United States of America
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2016, 11:44:48 AM »
And the reason that Sanders and Trump are rising stars?  Same reason virtually the same.

Trump’s rise is mirrored on the European right.

 Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422919/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-national-socialism-immigration

For the right-leaning movements, the common issue is immigration. Senator Sanders, a professing socialist from Vermont, may seem like an outlier in this gang, but his views on immigration are substantially the same as those of Trump and by no means radically different from those of Marine Le Pen, even if his speeches are edited for progressive audiences; he charges that a shadowy cabal of billionaires (the name “Koch” inevitably looms large) wants to flood the United States with cheap immigrant labor to undermine the working class: “Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them,” he says, with emphasis on the eternal infernal Them. “Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first — not wealthy globetrotting donors.” Strangely, Sanders protests that Trump is a beastly beast for holding roughly the same views. “All kinds of people,” indeed — not our kind of people.

 Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422919/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-national-socialism-immigration
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Corporate America selling Trump and Sanders
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2016, 01:44:20 PM »
I usually don't post from Huffington but this article is full of earned criticism of both parties.  If any politician wants to win this election it is going to have to be by appealing to working Americans.  Right now Trump and Sanders are leading in the polls.  I find that sad but understandable.  The Republican party can ignore that or send solutions to people who need reassurance that it isn't going to be politics as usual.

Watch Corporate America Turn A Room Full Of Workers Into Bernie Sanders And Donald Trump Supporters

Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have been persistent critics of American trade policies that other candidates have embraced as pro-growth. They have very different messages. Sanders targets his outrage against the moneyed corporate class, while billionaire Trump pins the blame on immigrants, foreigners and corrupt politicians who cut self-serving deals. Sanders argues that U.S. trade policies hurt workers around the world by degrading labor and environmental standards. Trump focuses his rage on the others who take the jobs. But both are tapping into a continuing domestic outrage that Democratic and Republican elites alike should have recognized decades ago.

"We're committed," the Carrier executive promises at the end of the layoff announcement, "to treating you with respect throughout this transition."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-people-really-support-trump-and-sanders_us_56be3c46e4b0b40245c6a159
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Re: Corporate America selling Trump and Sanders
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2016, 02:01:19 PM »
"We're committed," the Carrier executive promises at the end of the layoff announcement, "to treating you with respect throughout this transition."

"We're throwing all of you away,
but we promise to throw you away respectfully."
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Re: Corporate America selling Trump and Sanders
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2016, 02:03:18 PM »
"We're throwing all of you away,
but we promise to throw you away respectfully."

Exactly!
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Re: Corporate America selling Trump and Sanders
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2016, 02:04:30 PM »
Trump, as a NATIONAL SOCIALIST, would be their worst nightmare. But then, you got that perspective from Huff Po.

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Re: A Country Ripe for Fascist Takeover. United States of America
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2016, 02:28:54 PM »

Well go back in time to pre Hitler Germany and you will see that we nearly mirror the conditions that allowed a Hitler regime.  I believe that is the rise of Trump in America.  Even though it is all lies and Trump is the biggest business man that would willingly screw any American for cheaper labor.   People don't get it.  They only get that the America of the past isn't the America of today.  They get that its desperate and so are they.

And guess what?  We know that road infrastructure jobs are not American jobs.
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The German economy was especially vulnerable since it was built upon foreign capital, mostly loans from America and was very dependent on foreign trade. When those loans suddenly came due and when the world market for German exports dried up, the well oiled German industrial machine quickly ground to a halt.

As production levels fell, German workers were laid off. Along with this, banks failed throughout Germany. Savings accounts, the result of years of hard work, were instantly wiped out. Inflation soon followed making it hard for families to purchase expensive necessities with devalued money.

Overnight, the middle class standard of living so many German families enjoyed was ruined by events outside of Germany, beyond their control. The Great Depression began and they were cast into poverty and deep misery and began looking for a solution, any solution.

Adolf Hitler knew his opportunity had arrived.

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4AURU_enUS517US518&q=Economy+caused+Germany+to+support+Hitler

This is very similar - to what I heard, in glowing terms, of a lady who was a German teenager during the rise of Hitler.  As I sat at my friend's table, and his mother went on and on, about how WONDERFUL Adolf Hitler was, and how TERRIBLE life was before he rose to power - yeah, my jaw just hung there, with a look of disbelief.  Can it happen again?  Yeah, sort of... but, we're missing several of the scenarios, pre-WW2 Germany faced - and this article, IMO is making quite a stretch towards Socialism.

I refuse to be a doom-n-gloomer, not when I see opportunities to start small businesses, because there are economic niches just waiting to be met by an enterprising individual.  Not talking about reselling China crap, or hocking the next whizz-bang gadget over the TV & Radio.  I've been manufacturing components for less than 2 years, and business is picking up!  Yesterday, I got an email for a guy, looking for something I've built, years ago, proven technology - and he wants one.  Not big money, yet, but it's growing faster and faster - I don't know if I have the time to build all these different things anymore.

The answer to Socialism is Small Businesses.

This is a race, or sorts, but in two different directions - Socialism & Top Down Management, the collapse of the free market economy, on one side.
The Free Market Economy of opportunity to start & grow the Small Business, free of government interference on the other side.

This isn't the kind economy based on Shark Cartilage (Kevin Trudeu), some so called get-rich-overnight crap that'll turn things around.  and it's not going to happen in 2-3 years.  Forgetting the government over-regulations for a moment...

There needs to be a "revival of Small Business" in America, and a government that quits giving advantages to bigger businesses.  A level playing field... as Ted Cruz suggests.  No more subsidies, period.   Trump isn't interested in small business growth.  Cruz wants to grow small business, Trump wants to grow government intervention.

One other thing worth mentioning, we have a Congress that's suppose to control spending, and a Senate that's suppose to put responsible Judges on the courts.  Yeah, we're also suffering because of that.  Would it be a "Takeover" or a "Handover"?  As for me, it'd be a takeover, because I see no reason to handover a business opportunity to a Trump, Clinton or Sanders. 
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Re: A Country Ripe for Fascist Takeover. United States of America
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2016, 08:26:26 PM »

One other thing worth mentioning, we have a Congress that's suppose to control spending, and a Senate that's suppose to put responsible Judges on the courts.  Yeah, we're also suffering because of that.  Would it be a "Takeover" or a "Handover"?  As for me, it'd be a takeover, because I see no reason to handover a business opportunity to a Trump, Clinton or Sanders.

To expect Mexican development to proceed without plants moving to Mejico seems unrealistic. After all, air conditioning? Seems that is something they would need.
What bodes ill for the American middle class is the threat of devastating inflation.
Americans are catching on that this level playing field is not necessarily going to mean more cheap stuff for all. To the contrary, inflation and currency dilution may wind up Achilles heel in the great liberal experiment of one world, one love, let's all get together and feel all right, while Barack, Hillary, and Bernie walk off with the store.
No, the rise of a national socialist like Hitler is not pure speculation. In fact, it almost looks like the left wing is counting on it, looking at Merkel, Cameron, and Obama. This whole one world order agenda has gotten too creepy. One of the problems of throwing the political bias to it is that we are never sure where fantasy meets reality, or when words are spoken out of truth or out of the simple motive to hammer a political  rival. I threw Huff out some time ago. Incendiary. Manipulative. Just a little too clever with words and ideas. Who is the most dangerous man in the world today? My vote goes to Barack.

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Re: A Country Ripe for Fascist Takeover. United States of America
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2016, 06:09:16 AM »
To expect Mexican development to proceed without plants moving to Mejico seems unrealistic. After all, air conditioning? Seems that is something they would need.
What bodes ill for the American middle class is the threat of devastating inflation.
Americans are catching on that this level playing field is not necessarily going to mean more cheap stuff for all. To the contrary, inflation and currency dilution may wind up Achilles heel in the great liberal experiment of one world, one love, let's all get together and feel all right, while Barack, Hillary, and Bernie walk off with the store.
No, the rise of a national socialist like Hitler is not pure speculation. In fact, it almost looks like the left wing is counting on it, looking at Merkel, Cameron, and Obama. This whole one world order agenda has gotten too creepy. One of the problems of throwing the political bias to it is that we are never sure where fantasy meets reality, or when words are spoken out of truth or out of the simple motive to hammer a political  rival. I threw Huff out some time ago. Incendiary. Manipulative. Just a little too clever with words and ideas. Who is the most dangerous man in the world today? My vote goes to Barack.

We ARE the enemies of the New World Order, Socialism, Communism.  Reeducation hasn't worked.  Financially gutting the middle class has only partially worked.  They need some way to change the way people view government - we are way too independent, we need to become wards-of-the-state.  Crippling poverty & inflation was pretty effective in Pre-WW2 Germany. 

The more government piles regulation upon regulation on businesses, the less likely for new small business startups.  The independently minded innovators either quit, or go to the underground economy.  Who would want to develop a new device - and have another entity walk off with it, market it, profit from it?  We call that "theft".

I am not amused at these folks who make-their-living destroying, or limiting the Small Businessman/woman - pretending they're the smartest person in the room, and nothing worthwhile to show for it.  Flipping us the bird when asked a question he considers beneath him, or calling his supports the greatest in the world and detractors liars, thieves and crooked.  Inventing conspiracies for political cover of their corruption.

Trump - Sanders - Clinton ... all the same M.O. to me, all bad choices.
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Re: A Country Ripe for Fascist Takeover. United States of America
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2016, 10:29:31 AM »
We are not just ripe for a fascist takeover.  We are very far down that path.  The most dramatic example is Obamacare, textbook fascism that consumed 1/6 our economy in one bite.

It's time to drop the political correctness of avoiding using the correct term "fascism" for fascist socialism.  Too many leftists perpetrate the false concept that fascism means like Hitler's National Socialism.  That is entirely false.  Fascism is NOT like the Hitler's National Socialist and their evil empire, any more than all mammals are kangaroos.  Fascism and communism are socialist sisters:  Fascism imposes socialist tyranny with perfectly legal laws, regulations, and government support while communism imposes socialist tyranny by strictly controlling private ownership.

In the US fascist tyranny is strangling us with laws and regulations by the EPA, IRS, BLM, etc., green energy subsidies, forcing ethanol into gasoline, corrupt politicians manipulating the tax code to benefit large corporate and union funding, and on and on.  We are not as far down the road from capitalism as European countries, but are rapidly rushing toward their situation.   Europe has survived fascism as well as they have because the US protected them militarily and economically.  But the US has nobody to protect us as we've supported Europe.   Obama's relentless and highly successful push into fascism (with the support of both D and R) leads only to disaster, economically with our dramatic debt plus unfunded social obligations, not to mention our dramatically decreased capability to defend ourselves, let alone the rest of civilization.

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Re: A Country Ripe for Fascist Takeover. United States of America
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2016, 11:38:34 AM »
Umberto Eco wrote about 14 signs of fashism in the country. So you can check it up:
http://interglacial.com/~sburke/pub/Umberto_Eco_-_Eternal_Fascism.html

 

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