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Why Are We Afraid (to know Islam)
« on: August 26, 2014, 04:25:59 PM »
Excellent video. I hated the title because I took it personally. I'm not afraid -- of them. I am afraid of our own appeasers, which is what he's talking about. I downloaded the video at a free wifi location because I pay for my gigs (got rid of Comcast for now).

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Re: Why Are We Afraid (to know Islam)
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2014, 09:48:26 PM »
Excellent video. I hated the title because I took it personally. I'm not afraid -- of them. I am afraid of our own appeasers, which is what he's talking about. I downloaded the video at a free wifi location because I pay for my gigs (got rid of Comcast for now).

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Re: Why Are We Afraid (to know Islam)
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2014, 10:16:02 PM »
Excellent video. I hated the title because I took it personally. I'm not afraid -- of them. I am afraid of our own appeasers, which is what he's talking about. I downloaded the video at a free wifi location because I pay for my gigs (got rid of Comcast for now).

Watch if you're able, even if it means downloading it first. I use Download Helper extension for firefox.



A generation ago, Samuel Huntington of Harvard wrote,"The Clash of Civilizations"; his core point
being direct and simple. Wherever Muslims and non-Muslims have shared borders, over the past
1300 years, there has been blood! Anyone in the West unaware of this reality has his head permanently
imbedded in his rectum and videos will do nothing to improve either his vision or his perspective.

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Re: Why Are We Afraid (to know Islam)
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2014, 12:00:43 AM »
Watched all of it, and his "rational analysis of radical Islam".

I knew already that the Crusades had been a defensive effort that Christianity largely lost (and which the Caliphates recorded as "minor victories"), but I didn't know just quite how outsized it was by the number of jihads.

Disappointed he didn't get into how Islam spread to Southeast Asia, with Indonesia today the most populous Islamic nation, as that's something I'm a little foggy on.

Otherwise, a great watch. The stats on how much of the Koran and Sunna are dedicated to "us" is certainly ominous.
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Re: Why Are We Afraid (to know Islam)
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2014, 04:33:06 AM »
Watched all of it, and his "rational analysis of radical Islam".

I knew already that the Crusades had been a defensive effort that Christianity largely lost (and which the Caliphates recorded as "minor victories"), but I didn't know just quite how outsized it was by the number of jihads.

Disappointed he didn't get into how Islam spread to Southeast Asia, with Indonesia today the most populous Islamic nation, as that's something I'm a little foggy on.

Otherwise, a great watch. The stats on how much of the Koran and Sunna are dedicated to "us" is certainly ominous.

Islam has been in South east Asia since the end of the 7th century, the good thing is the Hindu's are gearing up for a major war against Islam.

As for now, the successes of IS is due to continue, and the more IS exposes themselves, the more the socialist in the west lose influence. It's funny to watch the socialist squirm and scream, in Oslo they had a demonstration against IS which was really a demonstration against the reason and logic of the Norwegian people to enforce the paradigm of Islam being a religion of Peace. IS don't care what any fat politician in Scandinavia says  :laugh:

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Re: Why Are We Afraid (to know Islam)
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2014, 05:29:28 AM »
Islam has been in South east Asia since the end of the 7th century, the good thing is the Hindu's are gearing up for a major war against Islam.
Really? What do you mean?

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As for now, the successes of IS is due to continue,
I disagree. ISIS has turned against everyone whose ever gone to bat for them, alienating other Muslims and Christians alike. Even Al Qaeda isn't their friend anymore. I think they've overstretched themselves, and they may have caught on a bit, as they're losing ground in Iraq, but gaining in Syria.

The latter could mean that they're trying to consolidate, and stay out of the area of our airstrikes.

Along with our airstrikes, we are seeing the intervention of the Kurdish Syria Militia, who are more experienced and better trained than the Peshmerga. They are part responsible for saving the Yazidis, and pushing ISIS away from the towns surrounding Erbil.

Armed with better weapons, with our air force in support, and forming a join front with the Syrian Kurds, they are far more numerically superior to the militants, so I think ISIS is in for a bigger fight from this point onward.
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Re: Why Are We Afraid (to know Islam)
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2014, 06:03:59 AM »
Really? What do you mean?

India is beset by belligerent muslims on almost all borders, and have a huge problem with domestic muslim terrorists groups most of whom are funded by the Pakistani ISI. Modi and the BJP is a Hindu national socialist organization prone to commit violence against muslims as retaliation and out of perceived domestic threat, Indian society is more divided than American black and white communities and there is next to no national unity with the muslims. Modi is currently a moderate BJP prime minister, and as older old guard socialist of INC dies off the BJP will become stronger and more extreme, the end result can only mean war between the Hindu's and Muslims.

I disagree. ISIS has turned against everyone whose ever gone to bat for them, alienating other Muslims and Christians alike. Even Al Qaeda isn't their friend anymore. I think they've overstretched themselves, and they may have caught on a bit, as they're losing ground in Iraq, but gaining in Syria.

The latter could mean that they're trying to consolidate, and stay out of the area of our airstrikes.

Along with our airstrikes, we are seeing the intervention of the Kurdish Syria Militia, who are more experienced and better trained than the Peshmerga. They are part responsible for saving the Yazidis, and pushing ISIS away from the towns surrounding Erbil.

Armed with better weapons, with our air force in support, and forming a join front with the Syrian Kurds, they are far more numerically superior to the militants, so I think ISIS is in for a bigger fight from this point onward.

You are forgetting that Assad and his regime is slaughtering and torturing Sunni civilians by the ten's of thousand, Obama's rescue of Assad will only push more Sunni's to embrace jihad. I agree they will face a harder fight, and as a response they will be forced to increase their brutality, if IS is completely wiped off from Iraq then Saudi Arabia will have Shia Iran controlling a puppet state at it's border, even if IS is destroyed in Iraq and Syria they will still win as they have now expanded their influence and may even grow stronger in the interim after a temporary defeat. I don't know why you admire the Kurdish socialist so much, people were heralding the peshmerga as hardcore super soldiers before they were routed as well.

In any case my point with their success is their display of brutality and the effect it will have in Europe is far more important than any military success they have in the middle-east.

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Re: Why Are We Afraid (to know Islam)
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2014, 06:17:08 AM »
You are forgetting that Assad and his regime is slaughtering and torturing Sunni civilians by the ten's of thousand, Obama's rescue of Assad will only push more Sunni's to embrace jihad.
Sure. But why would they join IS and not the Al Nusra Front? IS has been committing atrocities in Syria too, and I think it's going to push the civilians to support anyone whose *not them* if they can help it.

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I don't know why you admire the Kurdish socialist so much,
I think they're an Israel or a Armenia in the making.

The Peshmerga used to be more formidable, back in the 80s when they had regular bouts with the Iraqi army. They haven't had a real fight since 1991, so they're skills have depleted, as have the number of veterans among their ranks. The Syrian Kurdish militia however have both fought with Assad, and the Turks, so they're more battle-hardened.

And again, they have Christians and even count Yazidis among their *family*, that alone for an Islamic tribe is impressive.

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In any case my point with their success is their display of brutality and the effect it will have in Europe is far more important than any military success they have in the middle-east.
I don't mean to be rude, but, why is Europe relevant in all of this?
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Re: Why Are We Afraid (to know Islam)
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2014, 06:30:17 AM »
Sure. But why would they join IS and not the Al Nusra Front? IS has been committing atrocities in Syria too, and I think it's going to push the civilians to support anyone whose *not them* if they can help it.
I think they're an Israel or a Armenia in the making.

Dude, does it really matter which wacko nutjob islamo group they join? In the end they all have the same goal, they all have the same ideology, they all embrace terrorism. But as socialist parties they fight amongst themselves as to who will get the best government jobs once the dictatorship is established.

The Peshmerga used to be more formidable, back in the 80s when they had regular bouts with the Iraqi army. They haven't had a real fight since 1991, so they're skills have depleted, as have the number of veterans among their ranks. The Syrian Kurdish militia however have both fought with Assad, and the Turks, so they're more battle-hardened.

You are correct, but I don't think it matters, the Iraqi military was battle-hardened as well, the time a veteran could outmatch fresh conscript 10-1 like in the Roman Legion is a long time ago. It seems the willingness to die is a higher factor for success than being a veteran so far in the current war, but I really don't know, the Kurdish Militia may have US marine equivalent training for all I know.

And again, they have Christians and even count Yazidis among their *family*, that alone for an Islamic tribe is impressive.

I'm sorry, I have no idea what we are debating right now regarding that statement :tounge: Why don't you come to Norway and we can discuss it over some beer?  :laugh: (I don't think its long until this thread ends up in the nut house)

I don't mean to be rude, but, why is Europe relevant in all of this?

The socialists parties of Europe have all aligned themselves with the Muslims pushing the notion that Islam is a religion of Peace, the more IS dispells this illusion the more exposed Socialism will be for what the alliance was all along, just another scheme to farm a new voter herd. We have already seen the blowback for this in Norway and Sweden as we are currently under conservative anti-Islam governments, but it is not majority control yet, but I hope with more IS brutality this will soon change.

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Re: Why Are We Afraid (to know Islam)
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2014, 06:57:00 AM »
Dude, does it really matter which wacko nutjob islamo group they join?
Well the Issue was if IS will survive. If the Syrians turn their support to Al Nusra, and Iraqis to the Kurds and their military, whose left to flush IS's ranks?

In short, I think IS has alienated too many would-be-friends, used fear too readily to try and win obedience, that it is at risk for sharing the fate of the Khmer Rouge.

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You are correct, but I don't think it matters, the Iraqi military was battle-hardened as well, the time a veteran could outmatch fresh conscript 10-1 like in the Roman Legion is a long time ago. It seems the willingness to die is a higher factor for success than being a veteran so far in the current war, but I really don't know, the Kurdish Militia may have US marine equivalent training for all I know.
I don't really know myself. I do know that we and the Israelis supplied and trained Kurdish elements in the past, but I don't know how extensive that was .

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I'm sorry, I have no idea what we are debating right now regarding that statement :tounge: Why don't you come to Norway and we can discuss it over some beer?  :laugh: (I don't think its long until this thread ends up in the nut house)
I would if I could, I think I'd quite love the Norwegian climate and have heritage roots to match, and I have great respect for how you managed to stay out of the EU. You proved you were brighter than most, too many Americans in the same position would have gone for it. 

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Re: Why Are We Afraid (to know Islam)
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2014, 07:08:25 AM »
Well the Issue was if IS will survive. If the Syrians turn their support to Al Nusra, and Iraqis to the Kurds and their military, whose left to flush IS's ranks?

I was pointing out their success, whether or not they survive in the end doesn't matter, and like I pointed out even if they lose the sunni world will not stand by and let Shiah humiliate them, especially if the Shiah muslims are supported by America.

I would if I could, I think I'd quite love the Norwegian climate and have heritage roots to match, and I have great respect for how you managed to stay out of the EU. You proved you were brighter than most, too many Americans in the same position would have gone for it.

I was actually in favor of the EU a few years back :blushing: Most conservatives were, in the beginning it was mostly based on free market principles and I don't like borders as freedom of movement is one of the more important freedoms we can have, if not we got back to serfdom or like in Soviet collective farms, you are born to a farmstead, and you will live and work there all your life until you die.

But as the EU expanded so too did it's area of control, and today the tables have turned, socialists are pro EU while conservatives are anti EU the exact opposite of what it was just 10 years ago. (excepting the Brits, they never wanted to join).

So this is one of those rare instances conservatives would say "Thank you Socialists", while the Socialists say "Doh!!!" :laugh:

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Re: Why Are We Afraid (to know Islam)
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2014, 10:25:53 AM »
As the bell for the 10th round is about to ring; so far it's a draw between
Alaska Slim and Mountainshield but this is a really good contest.
Hooray!

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Re: Why Are We Afraid (to know Islam)
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2014, 02:15:00 AM »
Go with Mountainshield on this one, he knows. Europe is a hotbed of Muslim extremism, look it up on google. The UK is probably the worst, because our government actually encourages them and we even have criminal laws which prevent us speaking out about it.
You’ve got the Sunni’s and Shia’s fighting amongst themselves, but enter the non-believers and everyone turns on them. It’s the same the world over and always has been. All this living happily side by side stuff is nonsense and propaganda. Islam is a cult of violence left over from the dark ages.

 

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