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Title: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on August 25, 2011, 05:05:06 PM

These people are worse than the CFR

August 15, 2011

      In May, the meeting of the Bilderberg group named Texas Governor Rick Perry to be their candidate. The current Bilderberg President, Barack Obama, will hash the Bilderbergers bet, when Perry receives the Republican nomination for president. They will be set up to win either way with Obama, or Democrat until 1989, Rick Perry. Perry will use the Tea Party platform, as he is right now, to become popular with Americans, but his record shows otherwise. He will abandon the platform when he receives the nomination, and once again, Americans are left with no real choice. He is no conservative, don't be fooled by his peacocking.


http://www.newglobeordertruth.com/2011/08/rick-perry-bilderberg-big-government.h... (http://www.newglobeordertruth.com/2011/08/rick-perry-bilderberg-big-government.h...)

Google "Rick Perry Bilderberger" for more.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: taxed on August 25, 2011, 05:12:46 PM
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Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: The mighty wu on August 25, 2011, 05:13:53 PM
Here we go with the lunatic fringe and their tinfoil hat conspiracies. I suppose it was just a matter of time. Pathetic.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 25, 2011, 05:25:55 PM
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Nice hat!
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Shanghai Dan on August 25, 2011, 05:41:34 PM
You need more than just tinfoil on the head; you need to block the ocular nerves so you do not receive disruptive signals interlaced with regular TV and movies, and you need to block the aural system as well to eliminate the control-speech that is sub-encoded in the audio track:

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.desmoinesregister.com%2Fdmr%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F05%2Ftin-foil-hat.jpg&hash=0b83469a64fd8628cf23857768450f9f0fa79c88)

This is the better approach to take.  The little spikes on top help as well, acting as charge collectors to dissipate any high energy brain-control waves they may beam at you from the HAARP array, via reflectors on the circling black helicopters.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 25, 2011, 05:44:50 PM
Be nice people, there are a lot of people distrusting of organizations that carry out secret meetings.
Dim party comes to mind. :D
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Dr_Watt on August 25, 2011, 05:46:58 PM
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I, on the other hand, prefer the traditional style!

-Dr Watt
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 25, 2011, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: Shanghai Dan on August 25, 2011, 05:41:34 PM
You need more than just tinfoil on the head; you need to block the ocular nerves so you do not receive disruptive signals interlaced with regular TV and movies, and you need to block the aural system as well to eliminate the control-speech that is sub-encoded in the audio track:

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.desmoinesregister.com%2Fdmr%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F05%2Ftin-foil-hat.jpg&hash=0b83469a64fd8628cf23857768450f9f0fa79c88)

This is the better approach to take.  The little spikes on top help as well, acting as charge collectors to dissipate any high energy brain-control waves they may beam at you from the HAARP array, via reflectors on the circling black helicopters.


It needs sparks going back and to between the horns.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Josie on August 25, 2011, 07:10:39 PM
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Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Cryptic Bert on August 25, 2011, 07:12:15 PM
I have all their albums..
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Josie on August 25, 2011, 07:14:20 PM
Quote from: Archibald Thripshaw Nastiface on August 25, 2011, 07:12:15 PM
I have all their albums..
We're off to see the wizard is my favorite jam to bump in my car  8)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on August 25, 2011, 08:02:32 PM


The Bilderbergers are the main supporters of the U.N. plan for Agenda 21

According to an article in USA Daily, the proponents of the Bilderberg group state that it is only a group for the leaders of the world to meet in private and discuss world issues without their remarks being scrutinized. In 1991, David Rockefeller made this statement: "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years but the world is now more sophisticated & prepared to march towards a world government which will never again know war but only peace and prosperity for the whole of authority."

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/441968/what_is_the_bilderberg_group.html?page=2 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/441968/what_is_the_bilderberg_group.html?page=2)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: arpad on August 26, 2011, 06:31:43 AM
Quote from: Solar on August 25, 2011, 05:44:50 PM
Be nice people, there are a lot of people distrusting of organizations that carry out secret meetings.
Dim party comes to mind. :D
Yeah but conspiratorialists go a couple of steps farther then mistrust. They're not content to simply point out the inherently suspicious nature of organizations that shroud themselves in mystery.

Conspiratorialists also make all sorts of outlandish predictions on the basis of the flimsiest of evidence and worse then that, aren't interested in revisiting their failed predictions to try to figure out what they got wrong and why. They just make another bunch of predictions.

It's a little tough not to throw rocks at them.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: WoodBurner on August 26, 2011, 06:43:26 AM
Quote from: msbobbie on August 25, 2011, 08:02:32 PM

The Bilderbergers are the main supporters of the U.N. plan for Agenda 21

According to an article in USA Daily, the proponents of the Bilderberg group state that it is only a group for the leaders of the world to meet in private and discuss world issues without their remarks being scrutinized. In 1991, David Rockefeller made this statement: "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years but the world is now more sophisticated & prepared to march towards a world government which will never again know war but only peace and prosperity for the whole of authority."

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/441968/what_is_the_bilderberg_group.html?page=2 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/441968/what_is_the_bilderberg_group.html?page=2)

I brought this same point up last June MS, I don't care for the secrecy or the type of people that attend these conferences.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?topic=3163.0 (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?topic=3163.0)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 07:46:29 AM
Quote from: arpad on August 26, 2011, 06:31:43 AM
Yeah but conspiratorialists go a couple of steps farther then mistrust. They're not content to simply point out the inherently suspicious nature of organizations that shroud themselves in mystery.

Conspiratorialists also make all sorts of outlandish predictions on the basis of the flimsiest of evidence and worse then that, aren't interested in revisiting their failed predictions to try to figure out what they got wrong and why. They just make another bunch of predictions.

It's a little tough not to throw rocks at them.
I understand, but she is new and if anything, should be cut some slack.
In the least cut the insults and explain where she is in error.

I don't like any group that shrouds itself in secrecy, especially one full of socialists and RINO as in the Bilderberg group, but they write no laws, only suggest and try and influence.

Personally I prefer factual debate over insults.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: The mighty wu on August 26, 2011, 08:07:12 AM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 07:46:29 AM
I understand, but she is new and if anything, should be cut some slack.
In the least cut the insults and explain where she is in error.

I don't like any group that shrouds itself in secrecy, especially one full of socialists and RINO as in the Bilderberg group, but they write no laws, only suggest and try and influence.

Personally I prefer factual debate over insults.

Solar, I agree about the debate over insults, if I didn't I'd be at the other place. But the Bilderbergers?

What's next, black helicopters?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on August 26, 2011, 08:31:23 AM
Quote from: WoodBurner on August 26, 2011, 06:43:26 AM
  I brought this same point up last June MS, I don't care for the secrecy or the type of people that attend these conferences.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?topic=3163.0 (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?topic=3163.0)

I read this article too, but chose to post the most recent one. 
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on August 26, 2011, 08:38:50 AM

Thank you Woodburner and Solar, but msbobbie is a big girl.  I believe there is a shadow government influencing and controlling our government and elections.  The Council on Foreign Relations by it's own admission repeatedly, and the Bilderbergers as quoted here:


According to an article in USA Daily, the proponents of the Bilderberg group state that it is only a group for the leaders of the world to meet in private and discuss world issues without their remarks being scrutinized. In 1991, David Rockefeller made this statement: "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years but the world is now more sophisticated & prepared to march towards a world government which will never again know war but only peace and prosperity for the whole of authority."

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/441968/what_is_the_bilderberg_group.html?page=2 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/441968/what_is_the_bilderberg_group.html?page=2)


The CFR membership list is public, but the Bilderbergers is not, however the Bilderberg meetings are by invitation only.

I further believe anyone who is not willing to at least consider the possibility has their head in their butt and is not a Patriot.  Others can believe what they choose.

Rick Perry appears to be the frontrunner at this time so he is the target.  Next week it could be someone else's ox being gored.

It has always been my experience that attacks on public figures, media, entertainment and politicians is expected and accepted but forum members and their opinions are shown some measure of respect.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: The mighty wu on August 26, 2011, 08:56:31 AM
Quote from: msbobbie on August 26, 2011, 08:38:50 AM
Thank you Woodburner and Solar, but msbobbie is a big girl.  I believe there is a shadow government influencing and controlling our government and elections.  The Council on Foreign Relations by it's own admission repeatedly, and the Bilderbergers as quoted here:


According to an article in USA Daily, the proponents of the Bilderberg group state that it is only a group for the leaders of the world to meet in private and discuss world issues without their remarks being scrutinized. In 1991, David Rockefeller made this statement: "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years but the world is now more sophisticated & prepared to march towards a world government which will never again know war but only peace and prosperity for the whole of authority."

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/441968/what_is_the_bilderberg_group.html?page=2 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/441968/what_is_the_bilderberg_group.html?page=2)


The CFR membership list is public, but the Bilderbergers is not, however the Bilderberg meetings are by invitation only.

I further believe anyone who is not willing to at least consider the possibility has their head in their butt and is not a Patriot.  Others can believe what they choose.

Rick Perry appears to be the frontrunner at this time so he is the target.  Next week it could be someone else's ox being gored.

It has always been my experience that attacks on public figures, media, entertainment and politicians is expected and accepted but forum members and their opinions are shown some measure of respect.


So because I dismiss the Bilderbergers, I'm suddenly unpatriotic and have my head us my ass. Wow.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 09:13:54 AM
Quote from: msbobbie on August 26, 2011, 08:38:50 AM
It has always been my experience that attacks on public figures, media, entertainment and politicians is expected and accepted but forum members and their opinions are shown some measure of respect.

Insults shouldn't be tolerated unless warranted. I tend to take it as an insult to my intelligence that someone should take it for granted that I wish to be part of a conspiracy theory though...

Besides the Bilderberg thing, I've enjoyed your posts.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 09:21:30 AM
Quote from: The mighty wu on August 26, 2011, 08:07:12 AM

Solar, I agree about the debate over insults, if I didn't I'd be at the other place. But the Bilderbergers?

What's next, black helicopters?
I think my point was misinterpreted, I don't like the group, I have no use for them, but I think they are given way too much credence.
There are by far worse groups out there, like the one that put Hussein in office, or Soros, even Buffett gives me the creeps.
But Bilderberg is a self interest group, they are out to make money mostly, and power if possible.

But we really should be scrutinizing leftists groups more.
Who put Hussein in office?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: The mighty wu on August 26, 2011, 09:44:29 AM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 09:21:30 AM
I think my point was misinterpreted, I don't like the group, I have no use for them, but I think they are given way too much credence.
There are by far worse groups out there, like the one that put Hussein in office, or Soros, even Buffett gives me the creeps.
But Bilderberg is a self interest group, they are out to make money mostly, and power if possible.

But we really should be scrutinizing leftists groups more.
Who put Hussein in office?

I apologize. I should have used better wording. By the way, you're unpatriotic and have your head up your butt. Just thought you should know. ;)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 10:53:57 AM
Quote from: The mighty wu on August 26, 2011, 09:44:29 AM
I apologize. I should have used better wording. By the way, you're unpatriotic and have your head up your butt. Just thought you should know. ;)
Thank you, I wondered why it was so damned dark in here.

I guess our alternative would be to go the liberal route and outlaw secret meetings.
We all know who would be allowed to congregate after that...
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 01:15:57 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 07:46:29 AM
I understand, but she is new and if anything, should be cut some slack.
In the least cut the insults and explain where she is in error.

...

Personally I prefer factual debate over insults.
You're just worried because your tinfoil shipment is late, and you don't want the HAARP mind-control signals reflected from black helicopters beamed down at you... :o ;D
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 02:07:55 PM
Quote from: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 01:15:57 PM
You're just worried because your tinfoil shipment is late, and you don't want the HAARP mind-control signals reflected from black helicopters beamed down at you... :o ;D
What, me worry?
I live in a Faraday cage, so I'm not worried.
It's the robotic moles that have me concerned, I will be installing rebar enforced concrete shortly, I just have yet to find a contractor that isn't employed by the secret World gov.

But don't think I'm some kind of conspiracy nut... :D
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 02:11:57 PM
But let's entertain Msbobby' post for a moment, if it's true that this group is backing Perry, then that is just more proof that he's a lib, and nothing else.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 02:07:55 PM
What, me worry?
I live in a Faraday cage, so I'm not worried.
It's the robotic moles that have me concerned, I will be installing rebar enforced concrete shortly, I just have yet to find a contractor that isn't employed by the secret World gov.

But don't think I'm some kind of conspiracy nut... :D
Eminently logical, good sir, eminently logical!
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 04:01:32 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 02:11:57 PM
But let's entertain Msbobby' post for a moment, if it's true that this group is backing Perry, then that is just more proof that he's a lib, and nothing else.
Are the Bilderbergers libs or neocons or fascists?  I've heard them called all 3...  Nearest I can tell, they're more about REAL free trade (not the managed crap we have now), and building much tighter cooperation - economic and military - between the developed nations.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 04:01:43 PM
Quote from: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 03:59:07 PM
Eminently logical, good sir, eminently logical!


Solar, and you overlook some important considerations. How can you possibly trust that the people that make the rebar and concrete aren't in on it?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 04:08:57 PM
Quote from: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 04:01:32 PM
Are the Bilderbergers libs or neocons or fascists?  I've heard them called all 3...  Nearest I can tell, they're more about REAL free trade (not the managed crap we have now), and building much tighter cooperation - economic and military - between the developed nations.
From what I remember of those being invited, the majority have been liberal and rich, but not all.
If these people were really as bad as people think, why would they publicize their meetings?
You would think they would simply meet in secret, but who knows.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 04:09:12 PM
What makes you think I buy US-sourced rebar and shielding materials?  I do travel internationally, and there is a 50 pound-per-bag weight limit, and the first two bags are free...

I'm not saying ANY MORE... 8)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 04:09:46 PM
Quote from: Harry on August 26, 2011, 04:01:43 PM

Solar, and you overlook some important considerations. How can you possibly trust that the people that make the rebar and concrete aren't in on it?
:o :o :o :o :o
Computer chips hidden in rebar?
Just shoot me!
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 04:13:15 PM
Quote from: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 04:09:12 PM
What makes you think I buy US-sourced rebar and shielding materials?  I do travel internationally, and there is a 50 pound-per-bag weight limit, and the first two bags are free...

I'm not saying ANY MORE... 8)


I knew were smuggling Chink stuff. I knew it!
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 04:09:46 PM
:o :o :o :o :o
Computer chips hidden in rebar?
Just shoot me!


You should see what's hidden in the concrete! :o
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 04:16:18 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 04:09:46 PM
:o :o :o :o :o
Computer chips hidden in rebar?
Just shoot me!
I'll bring you over some of that virgin-pour copper and steel I get from sources deep in the Dangrek Mountains...  Not only is it first-pour stuff, there isn't enough technology within 100 miles to even make a monitoring computer chip, let alone properly insert them into the metal!
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: taxed on August 26, 2011, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 04:16:18 PM
I'll bring you over some of that virgin-pour copper and steel I get from sources deep in the Dangrek Mountains...  Not only is it first-pour stuff, there isn't enough technology within 100 miles to even make a monitoring computer chip, let alone properly insert them into the metal!

That's what they want you to believe.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on August 26, 2011, 04:23:10 PM


Why did no one  reject Agenda-21 as conspiracy theory?  I posted a quote by David Rockefeller of the Bilderberg group saying "..the world is now more sophisticated & prepared to march towards a world government.." (see reply #17)

But because I posted a report that the Bilderbergers have named Rick Perry to be their candidate, most of you got your shorts in a wad.

I saved an article on my computer 4 years ago that is undated titled The Council on Foreign Relations and the New World Order.  In it author William Blaise says:

"To be paranoid means to believe in delusions of danger and persecution. If the danger is real, and the evidence credible, then it cannot be delusional. To ignore the evidence, and hope that it CANNOT be true, is more an evidence of mental illness."

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Council_Foreign_Relations.htm (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Council_Foreign_Relations.htm)

The article is quite lengthy...5600 words plus references.  Ignore it if you choose.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 04:25:05 PM
Quote from: Harry on August 26, 2011, 04:13:52 PM

You should see what's hidden in the concrete! :o
I know, I found Hoffa's watch....
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on August 26, 2011, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 04:01:32 PM
Are the Bilderbergers libs or neocons or fascists?  I've heard them called all 3...  Nearest I can tell, they're more about REAL free trade (not the managed crap we have now), and building much tighter cooperation - economic and military - between the developed nations.



Bilderberg Club is an annual, unofficial, invitation-only conference of approximately 120 to 140 guests from North America and Western Europe, most of whom are people of influence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group)

List of participants

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants)


Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: msbobbie on August 26, 2011, 04:30:35 PM


Bilderberg Club is an annual, unofficial, invitation-only conference of approximately 120 to 140 guests from North America and Western Europe, most of whom are people of influence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group)

List of participants

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants)


Are the burgers good?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on August 26, 2011, 04:38:29 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 04:08:57 PM
From what I remember of those being invited, the majority have been liberal and rich, but not all.
If these people were really as bad as people think, why would they publicize their meetings?
You would think they would simply meet in secret, but who knows.

Don't you think it would be kind of difficult for 120-140 elite people to show up at one place unnoticed?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 04:39:38 PM
Quote from: msbobbie on August 26, 2011, 04:38:29 PM
Don't you think it would be kind of difficult for 120-140 elite people to show up at one place unnoticed?


Why should I care? Don't they have the right to assemble, and talk stupidly among themselves?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 04:45:49 PM
I play poker with a few guys, and one gal, on a regular basis. We say stupid stuff sometimes. Should anyone care? If I said that Cain was our candidate of choice, would it matter?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 04:51:25 PM
Quote from: msbobbie on August 26, 2011, 04:38:29 PM
Don't you think it would be kind of difficult for 120-140 elite people to show up at one place unnoticed?
Seriously?
Do you know how many island retreats there are in the world?
It would be very easy to meet below the radar.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 04:54:53 PM
Quote from: Harry on August 26, 2011, 04:39:38 PM

Why should I care? Don't they have the right to assemble, and talk stupidly among themselves?
I know I don't, they do not have the ability to pass laws, only work within them.
I have a bigger fear when the Dim party gets together...
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 04:54:55 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 04:51:25 PM
Seriously?
Do you know how many island retreats there are in the world?
It would be very easy to meet below the radar.


I'm pretty sure they know about my poker games. We notice things in the sky, just out of hearing range, that are probably black helicopters.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 04:59:36 PM
Quote from: Harry on August 26, 2011, 04:54:55 PM

I'm pretty sure they know about my poker games. We notice things in the sky, just out of hearing range, that are probably black helicopters.
I think they've upgraded to satellites after they were caught tapping into Nielsen ratings TV boxes and spying on my neighbor, who happened to be a janitor at a school that had a shop teacher that once met Ramsey Hildergard that knew a guy that met the President of Romania.

They are an evil group!
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 04:59:36 PM
I think they've upgraded to satellites after they were caught tapping into Nielsen ratings TV boxes and spying on my neighbor, who happened to be a janitor at a school that had a shop teacher that once met Ramsey Hildergard that knew a guy that met the President of Romania.

They are an evil group!


Ha! Proof at last!
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:02:36 PM
Quote from: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:00:45 PM

Ha! Proof at last!
:))
You can take that to the bank!
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:05:09 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:02:36 PM
:))
You can take that to the bank!


We almost had a picture of one, on the beer soaked disposable camera that happened to be the only one handy, but all it shows is a big red streak that seems to be heading into the stratosphere at incredible speed. Seriously, this is area 51 stuff! :o
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:09:11 PM
Quote from: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:05:09 PM

We almost had a picture of one, on the beer soaked disposable camera that happened to be the only one handy, but all it shows is a big red streak that seems to be heading into the stratosphere at incredible speed. Seriously, this is area 51 stuff! :o
More proof! :D

I burned toast once that had a face of an unknown man on it, and I swear it looked like one of the guys at the Bilderberg conference.
I tell ya, they are watching our every move...
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:11:02 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:09:11 PM
More proof! :D

I burned toast once that had a face of an unknown man on it, and I swear it looked like one of the guys at the Bilderberg conference.
I tell ya, they are watching our every move...


My mayonnaise, has this green pattern in it that looks exactly like Al Gore, down to the lousy dental work...
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:16:00 PM
Quote from: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:11:02 PM

My mayonnaise, has this green pattern in it that looks exactly like Al Gore, down to the lousy dental work...
I buy Miracle Whip, it's a Conservative company. ::)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:17:38 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:16:00 PM
I buy Miracle Whip, it's a Conservative company. ::)


I heard that the stuff was laced with mind altering chemicals that make you believe that supply-side economics work! :o
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:19:12 PM
Quote from: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:17:38 PM

I heard that the stuff was laced with mind altering chemicals that make you believe that supply-side economics work! :o
Crap!!! It must be true, I've been brainwashed to believe in Capitalism over slavery. :o
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:20:25 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:19:12 PM
Crap!!! It must be true, I've been brainwashed to believe in Capitalism over slavery. :o


Try the mustard! :))
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:22:34 PM
Quote from: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:20:25 PM

Try the mustard! :))
You mean that French crap, gray poopon?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:27:58 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:22:34 PM
You mean that French crap, gray poopon?


Nah, it's to the point that the good yellow stuff is impregnated with other stuff.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:29:36 PM
Quote from: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:27:58 PM

Nah, it's to the point that the good yellow stuff is impregnated with other stuff.
Yeah, mustard is green, not yellow.
What is that yellow chemical anyway. some kind of drug as well?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:30:49 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:29:36 PM
Yeah, mustard is green, not yellow.
What is that yellow chemical anyway. some kind of drug as well?


The greens are green. The mustard is made from the seeds.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 05:47:10 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 04:54:53 PM
I know I don't, they do not have the ability to pass laws, only work within them.
I have a bigger fear when the Dim party gets together...
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vujer.com%2Fmaterial%2Ffiles%2FBorat_Two_thumbs_up_yours.jpg&hash=b2e6a0fb95af14e858008232de6007b8e020b73b)

Our liberties are more at danger from the Democrats - and our current President and Senate leadership - than from any "Bilderberger conspiracy".  But it does make great Coast To Coast fodder!
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: Harry on August 26, 2011, 05:30:49 PM

The greens are green. The mustard is made from the seeds.
But the seeds aren't yellow either, they're more brown.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:52:24 PM
Quote from: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 05:47:10 PM
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vujer.com%2Fmaterial%2Ffiles%2FBorat_Two_thumbs_up_yours.jpg&hash=b2e6a0fb95af14e858008232de6007b8e020b73b)

Our liberties are more at danger from the Democrats - and our current President and Senate leadership - than from any "Bilderberger conspiracy".  But it does make great Coast To Coast fodder!
BINGO!!!
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: arpad on August 26, 2011, 07:29:38 PM
Quote from: msbobbie on August 26, 2011, 04:23:10 PM

Why did no one  reject Agenda-21 as conspiracy theory?  I posted a quote by David Rockefeller of the Bilderberg group saying "..the world is now more sophisticated & prepared to march towards a world government.." (see reply #17)

But because I posted a report that the Bilderbergers have named Rick Perry to be their candidate, most of you got your shorts in a wad.

I saved an article on my computer 4 years ago that is undated titled The Council on Foreign Relations and the New World Order.  In it author William Blaise says:

"To be paranoid means to believe in delusions of danger and persecution. If the danger is real, and the evidence credible, then it cannot be delusional. To ignore the evidence, and hope that it CANNOT be true, is more an evidence of mental illness."

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Council_Foreign_Relations.htm (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Council_Foreign_Relations.htm)

The article is quite lengthy...5600 words plus references.  Ignore it if you choose.

David Rockefeller's a lefty so naturally he'd get sprung thinking about world government. But lefties have been blabbing about world government for a long time, even made to stabs at it and both ended in ludicrous failure even if the current pathetic attempt at world government, the U.N., hasn't yet bit the big one.

I understand the attraction world government holds for lefties. They think government's the solution whatever the problem and because they're the proper and appropriate leaders of mankind - in their own minds - they'll be in charge of that world government.

Another reason lefties swoon at the thought of world government is because, mighty intellects that they are, they've noticed that governments engage in wars. If there's one government then there's no more war! It's brilliant! It's insightful!

It's stupid.

Trouble is, as a conspiratorialist you suffer from a similar affliction. You're so sure your smart that you're willing to accept pretty lousy evidence if it makes you feel smart. But flattering yourself isn't any more sincere then flattery from others and I won't have any of it. If the evidence won't stand then I'm not interested no matter how colorful the story.

Since I have to guess what goes on at a Bilderberg's session I'll tell you what I think the product of one of those Bilderberg sessions probably is and that's not much.

You've got a whole heap of wealthy, powerful people who are largely used to getting their own way. One thing they won't accept is orders from anyone no better then they are and they are world leaders. Who's going to tell them what to do? Obama? A punk who got lucky and in a little over a year he'll be gone if we're lucky. This year you have to pay heed to what he says. Next year? Maybe not. In either case he's a temp and while he can cause problems while he's around it's not that long till he's gone.

Who else is there? Bill Gates? Warren Buffett? George Soros? All capable, intelligent, very successful men but all they've got to bend other Bildergers to their will is their powers of persuasion and that's not the stuff of deep, dark conspiracies.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 08:06:01 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2011, 05:51:17 PM
But the seeds aren't yellow either, they're more brown.


So, the French are right?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 08:12:30 PM
Quote from: Harry on August 26, 2011, 08:06:01 PM

So, the French are right?
The Germans get it right, too:

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.choosy-beggars.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F08%2Fsgm12.jpg&hash=df8f3de4f1e02c397da432526264ef4800367266)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Harry on August 26, 2011, 08:14:45 PM
Quote from: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 08:12:30 PM
The Germans get it right, too:

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.choosy-beggars.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F08%2Fsgm12.jpg&hash=df8f3de4f1e02c397da432526264ef4800367266)


I don't even know what that means, but it sure makes for a pretty picture. :)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: jackod on August 26, 2011, 10:03:56 PM
 >:D Educated yourself Sheeps: themoneymasters.com I lived 27 years under communist and now Im fighting it right here,the "new world order is REAL,Bush(older) said it ,Clinton said it,Husein(current new world order administrator) said it,etc. ONLY  sheeps on antifreeze-coolant(this product is in many foods/dressings,as well,ha ha),still follow the SNAKE(banksters,multinational corporations royalties,CRF,etc.) with TWO heads(republican/democrats the founding Fathers where against 2 party system)) spitting on each other,fooling the Sheeple.The system work exactly: Problem, Reaction,Solution.  ,FRUIT of their recent work: perpetual war in Irak,Afghanistan,now Libya,very soon Syria,later on,(apr. spring) Iran,Patriots Act,rapid advance of slavery even liitle kids, 90 year old diapered people harassed,total absurdity, in the Airports,,plus radiations,which dont detect explosives,but the sheeple bows down their necks for the future sharp knife,as a part of population controll with the help of vaccinations,etc,Jack,the Slovak Prince. Ps: also You my check  the: prison planet .com
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: taxed on August 26, 2011, 10:13:28 PM
What is your take on the media?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: jackod on August 26, 2011, 10:15:14 PM
 >:D  ONLY?????????????? such a sheeple who They influence?/little kids or greedy politicians?????????????? who do as they are told
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: taxed on August 26, 2011, 10:18:26 PM
Quote from: jackod on August 26, 2011, 10:15:14 PM
>:D  ONLY? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? such a sheeple who They influence?/little kids or greedy politicians? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? who do as they are told


Just checking... thought you were someone else...
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Shanghai Dan on August 26, 2011, 11:10:08 PM
Quote from: Harry on August 26, 2011, 08:14:45 PM

I don't even know what that means, but it sure makes for a pretty picture. :)
MUSTARD!  IT'S ABOUT MUSTARD!!!

:))
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Cryptic Bert on August 26, 2011, 11:28:57 PM
Do you like pigeon pie?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 27, 2011, 06:44:30 AM
Quote from: arpad on August 26, 2011, 07:29:38 PM
David Rockefeller's a lefty so naturally he'd get sprung thinking about world government. But lefties have been blabbing about world government for a long time, even made to stabs at it and both ended in ludicrous failure even if the current pathetic attempt at world government, the U.N., hasn't yet bit the big one.

I understand the attraction world government holds for lefties. They think government's the solution whatever the problem and because they're the proper and appropriate leaders of mankind - in their own minds - they'll be in charge of that world government.

Another reason lefties swoon at the thought of world government is because, mighty intellects that they are, they've noticed that governments engage in wars. If there's one government then there's no more war! It's brilliant! It's insightful!

It's stupid.

Trouble is, as a conspiratorialist you suffer from a similar affliction. You're so sure your smart that you're willing to accept pretty lousy evidence if it makes you feel smart. But flattering yourself isn't any more sincere then flattery from others and I won't have any of it. If the evidence won't stand then I'm not interested no matter how colorful the story.

Since I have to guess what goes on at a Bilderberg's session I'll tell you what I think the product of one of those Bilderberg sessions probably is and that's not much.

You've got a whole heap of wealthy, powerful people who are largely used to getting their own way. One thing they won't accept is orders from anyone no better then they are and they are world leaders. Who's going to tell them what to do? Obama? A punk who got lucky and in a little over a year he'll be gone if we're lucky. This year you have to pay heed to what he says. Next year? Maybe not. In either case he's a temp and while he can cause problems while he's around it's not that long till he's gone.

Who else is there? Bill Gates? Warren Buffett? George Soros? All capable, intelligent, very successful men but all they've got to bend other Bildergers to their will is their powers of persuasion and that's not the stuff of deep, dark conspiracies.
A bit windy, but well said. ;)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 27, 2011, 06:49:33 AM
Quote from: jackod on August 26, 2011, 10:03:56 PM
>:D Educated yourself Sheeps: themoneymasters.com I lived 27 years under communist and now Im fighting it right here,the "new world order is REAL,Bush(older) said it ,Clinton said it,Husein(current new world order administrator) said it,etc. ONLY  sheeps on antifreeze-coolant(this product is in many foods/dressings,as well,ha ha),still follow the SNAKE(banksters,multinational corporations royalties,CRF,etc.) with TWO heads(republican/democrats the founding Fathers where against 2 party system)) spitting on each other,fooling the Sheeple.The system work exactly: Problem, Reaction,Solution.  ,FRUIT of their recent work: perpetual war in Irak,Afghanistan,now Libya,very soon Syria,later on,(apr. spring) Iran,Patriots Act,rapid advance of slavery even liitle kids, 90 year old diapered people harassed,total absurdity, in the Airports,,plus radiations,which dont detect explosives,but the sheeple bows down their necks for the future sharp knife,as a part of population controll with the help of vaccinations,etc,Jack,the Slovak Prince. Ps: also You my check  the: prison planet .com

Yet somehow you're above the fray?
You're as big a sheep as the rest of us, you buy gas, purchase food made by evil corporations, and buy clothes made by slaves in other countries.
You're full of shit and your hypocrisy is sickening, you have the audacity to call others sheep, yet you feed at the same troth as everyone else.
Wake up fool, this way to the great egress>>>
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on August 27, 2011, 07:36:17 AM
Quote from: arpad on August 26, 2011, 07:29:38 PM
David Rockefeller's a lefty so naturally he'd get sprung thinking about world government. But lefties have been blabbing about world government for a long time, even made to stabs at it and both ended in ludicrous failure even if the current pathetic attempt at world government, the U.N., hasn't yet bit the big one.

I understand the attraction world government holds for lefties. They think government's the solution whatever the problem and because they're the proper and appropriate leaders of mankind - in their own minds - they'll be in charge of that world government.

Another reason lefties swoon at the thought of world government is because, mighty intellects that they are, they've noticed that governments engage in wars. If there's one government then there's no more war! It's brilliant! It's insightful!

It's stupid.

Trouble is, as a conspiratorialist you suffer from a similar affliction. You're so sure your smart that you're willing to accept pretty lousy evidence if it makes you feel smart. But flattering yourself isn't any more sincere then flattery from others and I won't have any of it. If the evidence won't stand then I'm not interested no matter how colorful the story.

Since I have to guess what goes on at a Bilderberg's session I'll tell you what I think the product of one of those Bilderberg sessions probably is and that's not much.

You've got a whole heap of wealthy, powerful people who are largely used to getting their own way. One thing they won't accept is orders from anyone no better then they are and they are world leaders. Who's going to tell them what to do? Obama? A punk who got lucky and in a little over a year he'll be gone if we're lucky. This year you have to pay heed to what he says. Next year? Maybe not. In either case he's a temp and while he can cause problems while he's around it's not that long till he's gone.

Who else is there? Bill Gates? Warren Buffett? George Soros? All capable, intelligent, very successful men but all they've got to bend other Bildergers to their will is their powers of persuasion and that's not the stuff of deep, dark conspiracies.

I believe major things that have happened in my memory was part of the plan to form a One World Order.  Things like The Law Of The Sea Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.

More recently the powers that be have begun to dismantle the Constitution of the United States, bit by bit because it stands in their way.

David Rockefeller is a descendant of the Rothchild family who started this whole One World Order thing over two hundred years ago. 

In 1773, Mayer summoned twelve wealthy men to Frankfort and asked them to pool their resources, then presented the 25-point plan that would enable them to gain control of the wealth, natural resources and manpower of the entire world.


Those 25 points are:

1. Use violence and terrorism rather than academic discussions.
2. Preach "Liberalism" to usurp political power.
3. Initiate class warfare. 
4. Politicians must be cunning and deceptive – any moral code leaves a politician vulnerable.   
5. Dismantle "existing forces of order and regulation." Reconstruct all existing institutions."
6. Remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it.
7. Use Mob Psychology to control the masses. "Without absolute despotism one cannot rule efficiently."
8. Advocate the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption and all forms of vice, used systematically by "agenteurs" to corrupt the youth.
9. Seize properties by any means to secure submission and sovereignty.
10. Foment wars and control the peace conferences so that neither of the combatants gains territory placing them further in debt and therefore into our power.
11. Choose candidates for public office who will be "servile and obedient to our commands, so they may be readily used as pawns in our game."
12. Use the Press for propaganda to control all outlets of public information, while remaining in the shadows, clear of blame.
13. Make the masses believe they had been the prey of criminals. Then restore order to appear as the saviors.
14. Create financial panics. Use hunger to control to subjugate the masses.
15. Infiltrate Freemasonry to take advantage of the Grand Orient Lodges to cloak the true nature of their work in philanthropy. Spread their atheistic-materialistic ideology amongst the "Goyim" (gentiles).
16. When the hour strikes for our sovereign lord of the entire World to be crowned, their influence will banish everything that might stand in his way.
17. Use systematic deception, high-sounding phrases and popular slogans. "The opposite of what has been promised can always be done afterwards... That is of no consequence."
18. A Reign of Terror is the most economical way to bring about speedy subjection.
19. Masquerade as political, financial and economic advisers to carry out our mandates with Diplomacy and without fear of exposing "the secret power behind national and international affairs."
20. Ultimate world government is the goal. It will be necessary to establish huge monopolies, so even the largest fortunes of the Goyim will depend on us to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of their governments on the day after the great political smash." 
21. Use economic warfare. Rob the "Goyim" of their landed properties and industries with a combination of high taxes and unfair competition.
22. "Make the 'Goyim' destroy each other so there will only be the proletariat left in the world, with a few millionaires devoted to our cause, and sufficient police and soldiers to protect our interest."
23. Call it The New Order. Appoint a Dictator.
24. Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories and principles we know to be false.
25 Twist national and international laws into a contradiction which first masks the law and afterwards hides it altogether. Substitute arbitration for law.

http://www.spingola.com/before_ (http://www.spingola.com/before_) rockefeller.htm
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 27, 2011, 07:57:44 AM
Quote from: msbobbie on August 27, 2011, 07:36:17 AM
I believe major things that have happened in my memory was part of the plan to form a One World Order.  Things like The Law Of The Sea Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.

More recently the powers that be have begun to dismantle the Constitution of the United States, bit by bit because it stands in their way.

David Rockefeller is a descendant of the Rothchild family who started this whole One World Order thing over two hundred years ago. 

In 1773, Mayer summoned twelve wealthy men to Frankfort and asked them to pool their resources, then presented the 25-point plan that would enable them to gain control of the wealth, natural resources and manpower of the entire world.


Those 25 points are:

1. Use violence and terrorism rather than academic discussions.
2. Preach "Liberalism" to usurp political power.
3. Initiate class warfare. 
4. Politicians must be cunning and deceptive – any moral code leaves a politician vulnerable.   
5. Dismantle "existing forces of order and regulation." Reconstruct all existing institutions."
6. Remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it.
7. Use Mob Psychology to control the masses. "Without absolute despotism one cannot rule efficiently."
8. Advocate the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption and all forms of vice, used systematically by "agenteurs" to corrupt the youth.
9. Seize properties by any means to secure submission and sovereignty.
10. Foment wars and control the peace conferences so that neither of the combatants gains territory placing them further in debt and therefore into our power.
11. Choose candidates for public office who will be "servile and obedient to our commands, so they may be readily used as pawns in our game."
12. Use the Press for propaganda to control all outlets of public information, while remaining in the shadows, clear of blame.
13. Make the masses believe they had been the prey of criminals. Then restore order to appear as the saviors.
14. Create financial panics. Use hunger to control to subjugate the masses.
15. Infiltrate Freemasonry to take advantage of the Grand Orient Lodges to cloak the true nature of their work in philanthropy. Spread their atheistic-materialistic ideology amongst the "Goyim" (gentiles).
16. When the hour strikes for our sovereign lord of the entire World to be crowned, their influence will banish everything that might stand in his way.
17. Use systematic deception, high-sounding phrases and popular slogans. "The opposite of what has been promised can always be done afterwards... That is of no consequence."
18. A Reign of Terror is the most economical way to bring about speedy subjection.
19. Masquerade as political, financial and economic advisers to carry out our mandates with Diplomacy and without fear of exposing "the secret power behind national and international affairs."
20. Ultimate world government is the goal. It will be necessary to establish huge monopolies, so even the largest fortunes of the Goyim will depend on us to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of their governments on the day after the great political smash." 
21. Use economic warfare. Rob the "Goyim" of their landed properties and industries with a combination of high taxes and unfair competition.
22. "Make the 'Goyim' destroy each other so there will only be the proletariat left in the world, with a few millionaires devoted to our cause, and sufficient police and soldiers to protect our interest."
23. Call it The New Order. Appoint a Dictator.
24. Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories and principles we know to be false.
25 Twist national and international laws into a contradiction which first masks the law and afterwards hides it altogether. Substitute arbitration for law.

http://www.spingola.com/before_ (http://www.spingola.com/before_) rockefeller.htm
Yet somehow this is proof that the Bilderberg group has been systematically taking over the World? ::)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on August 27, 2011, 08:11:21 AM

Call it whatever you want, Solar.  What harm in considering that it might be true, and preparing as best we can?

Up to you if you choose not to.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 27, 2011, 08:23:14 AM
Quote from: msbobbie on August 27, 2011, 08:11:21 AM
Call it whatever you want, Solar.  What harm in considering that it might be true, and preparing as best we can?

Up to you if you choose not to.
No, I want to understand the connection you're making between the two groups.

You know, people have always suspected an evil entity had been formed to control their lives, and I'm sure to some extent that is true, but like people meeting in a bar, discussing politics and saving the World over a few beers, these evil groups garner about the same amount of power.

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States —in the fields of commerce and manufacturing—are afraid of somebody. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson[/size][/font]
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Shanghai Dan on August 27, 2011, 08:28:45 AM
Quote from: ? on August 26, 2011, 11:28:57 PM
Do you like pigeon pie?
If it moves, I'll eat it - at least once...;)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 27, 2011, 08:31:08 AM
Quote from: Shanghai Dan on August 27, 2011, 08:28:45 AM
If it moves, I'll eat it - at least once... ;)
Run Bert, he has a spatula in one hand and BBQ sauce in the other.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on August 27, 2011, 09:01:07 AM
Quote from: Solar on August 27, 2011, 08:23:14 AM
No, I want to understand the connection you're making between the two groups.

You know, people have always suspected an evil entity had been formed to control their lives, and I'm sure to some extent that is true, but like people meeting in a bar, discussing politics and saving the World over a few beers, these evil groups garner about the same amount of power.

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States —in the fields of commerce and manufacturing—are afraid of somebody. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson[/size][/font]

Estulin sees the current focus in the U.S. on the presidential election of 2008 as something of a farce in light of this trend.
"Does it really matter who wins?" he asks. "As I make very clear in 'The True Story of the Bilderberg Group,' every politician of note and promise belongs to the Bilderbergers, CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) or the Trilateral Commission.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58778 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58778)

I earlier posted a quote by David Rockefeller.

The United Nations has been very open about their goal for a One World Order.  The CFR has long held for a One World Order.

There are many CFR members on the list of Bilderberg attendees.

I think the Bilderbergers are the more elite of the CFR.


Woodrow Wilson was the guy that pushed for the Federal Reserve.  I read once that on his deathbed he said "I have destroyed the country I love".

Here is how:

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Shanghai Dan on August 27, 2011, 10:00:16 AM
Quote from: Solar on August 27, 2011, 08:31:08 AM
Run Bert, he has a spatula in one hand and BBQ sauce in the other.
GET ON MY GRILLE NOW!!!
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: arpad on August 27, 2011, 12:02:40 PM
Quote from: msbobbie on August 27, 2011, 07:36:17 AM
I believe major things that have happened in my memory was part of the plan to form a One World Order.  Things like The Law Of The Sea Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.

More recently the powers that be have begun to dismantle the Constitution of the United States, bit by bit because it stands in their way.

David Rockefeller is a descendant of the Rothchild family who started this whole One World Order thing over two hundred years ago. 

In 1773, Mayer summoned twelve wealthy men to Frankfort and asked them to pool their resources, then presented the 25-point plan that would enable them to gain control of the wealth, natural resources and manpower of the entire world.


Those 25 points are:

1. Use violence and terrorism rather than academic discussions.
2. Preach "Liberalism" to usurp political power.
3. Initiate class warfare. 
4. Politicians must be cunning and deceptive – any moral code leaves a politician vulnerable. 
5. Dismantle "existing forces of order and regulation." Reconstruct all existing institutions."
6. Remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it.
7. Use Mob Psychology to control the masses. "Without absolute despotism one cannot rule efficiently."
8. Advocate the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption and all forms of vice, used systematically by "agenteurs" to corrupt the youth.
9. Seize properties by any means to secure submission and sovereignty.
10. Foment wars and control the peace conferences so that neither of the combatants gains territory placing them further in debt and therefore into our power.
11. Choose candidates for public office who will be "servile and obedient to our commands, so they may be readily used as pawns in our game."
12. Use the Press for propaganda to control all outlets of public information, while remaining in the shadows, clear of blame.
13. Make the masses believe they had been the prey of criminals. Then restore order to appear as the saviors.
14. Create financial panics. Use hunger to control to subjugate the masses.
15. Infiltrate Freemasonry to take advantage of the Grand Orient Lodges to cloak the true nature of their work in philanthropy. Spread their atheistic-materialistic ideology amongst the "Goyim" (gentiles).
16. When the hour strikes for our sovereign lord of the entire World to be crowned, their influence will banish everything that might stand in his way.
17. Use systematic deception, high-sounding phrases and popular slogans. "The opposite of what has been promised can always be done afterwards... That is of no consequence."
18. A Reign of Terror is the most economical way to bring about speedy subjection.
19. Masquerade as political, financial and economic advisers to carry out our mandates with Diplomacy and without fear of exposing "the secret power behind national and international affairs."
20. Ultimate world government is the goal. It will be necessary to establish huge monopolies, so even the largest fortunes of the Goyim will depend on us to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of their governments on the day after the great political smash." 
21. Use economic warfare. Rob the "Goyim" of their landed properties and industries with a combination of high taxes and unfair competition.
22. "Make the 'Goyim' destroy each other so there will only be the proletariat left in the world, with a few millionaires devoted to our cause, and sufficient police and soldiers to protect our interest."
23. Call it The New Order. Appoint a Dictator.
24. Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories and principles we know to be false.
25 Twist national and international laws into a contradiction which first masks the law and afterwards hides it altogether. Substitute arbitration for law.

http://www.spingola.com/before_ (http://www.spingola.com/before_) rockefeller.htm

Well let's see. The Kyoto Accords is toast and has been for some time. It was never anywhere near as horrible as you make out for the simple reason that there's no enforcement mechanism. If a signatory decides "screw it" who's going to do what? Sure as hell the U.S. isn't going to enforce the terms of the treaty on other nations and, oh by the way, we told the Kyoto Accord folks to go pound sand. Sounds to me like at least one part of the One World Government plan hit snag.

If you care to detail the means by which the The Law Of The Sea Treaty is supposed to take us a step towards world government feel free to do so but just mentioning it isn't enough to make it as scary as it ought to be.

I couldn't find any information that indicates David Rockefeller is related to the Rothschilds. That's your cue to provide some credible evidence of an assertion which, by itself, proves nothing.

Oh, and whoever Mayer is he doesn't seem to have advanced his agenda noticeably.

Points 21 and 22 drew a hard look but I'll wait to see what other indications emerge, if they do, that you're one of those people who are so insightful that even the deeply-masked and cunningly-concealed International Jewish conspiracy doesn't fool you.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 27, 2011, 03:21:22 PM
Quote from: arpad on August 27, 2011, 12:02:40 PM
Well let's see. The Kyoto Accords is toast and has been for some time. It was never anywhere near as horrible as you make out for the simple reason that there's no enforcement mechanism. If a signatory decides "screw it" who's going to do what? Sure as hell the U.S. isn't going to enforce the terms of the treaty on other nations and, oh by the way, we told the Kyoto Accord folks to go pound sand. Sounds to me like at least one part of the One World Government plan hit snag.

If you care to detail the means by which the The Law Of The Sea Treaty is supposed to take us a step towards world government feel free to do so but just mentioning it isn't enough to make it as scary as it ought to be.

I couldn't find any information that indicates David Rockefeller is related to the Rothschilds. That's your cue to provide some credible evidence of an assertion which, by itself, proves nothing.

Oh, and whoever Mayer is he doesn't seem to have advanced his agenda noticeably.

Points 21 and 22 drew a hard look but I'll wait to see what other indications emerge, if they do, that you're one of those people who are so insightful that even the deeply-masked and cunningly-concealed International Jewish conspiracy doesn't fool you.
Quote from: msbobbie on August 27, 2011, 09:01:07 AM
Estulin sees the current focus in the U.S. on the presidential election of 2008 as something of a farce in light of this trend.
"Does it really matter who wins?" he asks. "As I make very clear in 'The True Story of the Bilderberg Group,' every politician of note and promise belongs to the Bilderbergers, CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) or the Trilateral Commission.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58778 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58778)

I earlier posted a quote by David Rockefeller.

The United Nations has been very open about their goal for a One World Order.  The CFR has long held for a One World Order.

There are many CFR members on the list of Bilderberg attendees.

I think the Bilderbergers are the more elite of the CFR.


Woodrow Wilson was the guy that pushed for the Federal Reserve.  I read once that on his deathbed he said "I have destroyed the country I love".

Here is how:

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild

And yet, here we are about to throw the socialist out on his ass.

The list you post sounds pretty much like the 1963 Communist Goals:
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm (http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm)
Take a look, but yet we still have a Country that is neither run by commies or banksters, and we still have a vote.

You need to seriously take a step back and see the bigger picture, the people still have the final say.
If all of what you claim were true and an evil entity was pulling all the strings, we would have lost our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights long ago, the last thing a secret power wants is an armed populace  sharing ideas over the airwaves.

It's nowhere near as big as you think it is.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on August 27, 2011, 03:27:27 PM

The Kyoto Accord is not really toast.  It could come back at any time when the powers that be think they have a friendly U.S. Senate.  So could L.O.S.T.  So could the environmental compact GHWB signed at the Earth Summit in 1992 and BHO will likely renew next year.  So could the small arms treaty Hillary Clinton signed with the U.N. a couple of years ago.

The horrible thing about these and other compacts is they destroy the sovereignty of the United States of America and subject us to the world court.

The love of money drew the Rothchilds and Rockefellers together way back in the 1800s.  The Rothchilds were bankers and the early Rockefeller was a drug dealer. 
 
It appears to me Mayer Rothchild's plan is marching right along and nearing completion.  I could put a check mark beside nearly every one of those 25 items.

Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: taxed on August 27, 2011, 03:31:49 PM
msbobbie, how many conspiracies that you follow have came to fruition?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: arpad on August 27, 2011, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: msbobbie on August 27, 2011, 03:27:27 PM
The Kyoto Accord is not really toast.  It could come back at any time when the powers that be think they have a friendly U.S. Senate.  So could L.O.S.T.  So could the environmental compact GHWB signed at the Earth Summit in 1992 and BHO will likely renew next year.  So could the small arms treaty Hillary Clinton signed with the U.N. a couple of years ago.

The horrible thing about these and other compacts is they destroy the sovereignty of the United States of America and subject us to the world court.

The love of money drew the Rothchilds and Rockefellers together way back in the 1800s.  The Rothchilds were bankers and the early Rockefeller was a drug dealer. 

It appears to me Mayer Rothchild's plan is marching right along and nearing completion.  I could put a check mark beside nearly every one of those 25 items.
The only time there was much chance of the Kyoto Accords passing the Senate was in 1993 and then it lost a straw poll so badly that Bill Clinton never introduced the treat for ratification. Since then have things gotten better for the Kyoto Accords or worse?

And if you choose to reply to that question keep in mind it's almost twenty years since the Kyoto Accords treaty wasn't ratified and when the leftiest president since FDR had the leftiest House and Senate the Kyoto Accords still weren't introduced for ratification. That ought to tell you something if you're not wedded to your desire to feel very insightful on little evidence.

But the evidence that the enviro-left is a collapsing force is even more compelling then the refusal to even introduce the Kyoto Accords to the Senate. Remember the Climate Summit in Copenhagen in 2000? Remember how that turned out?

It collapsed right in Obama's face as he tried to patch something together to keep it from being a ludicrous and embarrassing failure. But he couldn't. All those big shots and all those big expectations and the enviro's don't have dick to show for the great, big show. Doesn't exactly sound like a well-run conspiracy to me. In fact, what it sounds like is a political movement that's grinding to a halt and everyone who's hitched their wagon to the global warming pony is trying desperately to get one, last kick of life out of it.

By the way, the U.N. threw a party and no one came.

In 2010 the U.N. put on their annual Climate Change Conference in Cancun. Al Gore didn't go. Obama didn't go. No one went. It was for second and third-stringers only. That doesn't sound like the workings of a smoothly functioning conspiracy either. Matter of fact, what it sounds like is a political movement whose best days are behind it and job one right now is to obscure that fact.

I'm not going to bother with your other sovereignty-eroding treaties since I'm pretty sure that like the Kyoto Accords they're all DOA. I know the small arms treaty is as dead as Al Gore's chances of being elected president so unless any of them have passed the Senate they represent no more danger to American sovereignty then does an invasion by the Soviet Union.

The irony is that for all the mockery you've endured from some of the other forum members many of them don't really have a much better explanation for lefties, and the policies they pursue, then do you.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: The mighty wu on August 27, 2011, 08:12:41 PM
Quote from: arpad on August 27, 2011, 07:30:34 PM
The only time there was much chance of the Kyoto Accords passing the Senate was in 1993 and then it lost a straw poll so badly that Bill Clinton never introduced the treat for ratification. Since then have things gotten better for the Kyoto Accords or worse?

And if you choose to reply to that question keep in mind it's almost twenty years since the Kyoto Accords treaty wasn't ratified and when the leftiest president since FDR had the leftiest House and Senate the Kyoto Accords still weren't introduced for ratification. That ought to tell you something if you're not wedded to your desire to feel very insightful on little evidence.

But the evidence that the enviro-left is a collapsing force is even more compelling then the refusal to even introduce the Kyoto Accords to the Senate. Remember the Climate Summit in Copenhagen in 2000? Remember how that turned out?

It collapsed right in Obama's face as he tried to patch something together to keep it from being a ludicrous and embarrassing failure. But he couldn't. All those big shots and all those big expectations and the enviro's don't have dick to show for the great, big show. Doesn't exactly sound like a well-run conspiracy to me. In fact, what it sounds like is a political movement that's grinding to a halt and everyone who's hitched their wagon to the global warming pony is trying desperately to get one, last kick of life out of it.

By the way, the U.N. threw a party and no one came.

In 2010 the U.N. put on their annual Climate Change Conference in Cancun. Al Gore didn't go. Obama didn't go. No one went. It was for second and third-stringers only. That doesn't sound like the workings of a smoothly functioning conspiracy either. Matter of fact, what it sounds like is a political movement whose best days are behind it and job one right now is to obscure that fact.

I'm not going to bother with your other sovereignty-eroding treaties since I'm pretty sure that like the Kyoto Accords they're all DOA. I know the small arms treaty is as dead as Al Gore's chances of being elected president so unless any of them have passed the Senate they represent no more danger to American sovereignty then does an invasion by the Soviet Union.

The irony is that for all the mockery you've endured from some of the other forum members many of them don't really have a much better explanation for lefties, and the policies they pursue, then do you.

Excellent post, factual and spot on. That type of thinking and logic keeps me coming back here, though I disagree with the latter part of your closing paragraph.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: WoodBurner on August 28, 2011, 04:45:22 AM
Quote from: arpad on August 27, 2011, 07:30:34 PM
The only time there was much chance of the Kyoto Accords passing the Senate was in 1993 and then it lost a straw poll so badly that Bill Clinton never introduced the treat for ratification. Since then have things gotten better for the Kyoto Accords or worse?

And if you choose to reply to that question keep in mind it's almost twenty years since the Kyoto Accords treaty wasn't ratified and when the leftiest president since FDR had the leftiest House and Senate the Kyoto Accords still weren't introduced for ratification. That ought to tell you something if you're not wedded to your desire to feel very insightful on little evidence.

But the evidence that the enviro-left is a collapsing force is even more compelling then the refusal to even introduce the Kyoto Accords to the Senate. Remember the Climate Summit in Copenhagen in 2000? Remember how that turned out?

It collapsed right in Obama's face as he tried to patch something together to keep it from being a ludicrous and embarrassing failure. But he couldn't. All those big shots and all those big expectations and the enviro's don't have dick to show for the great, big show. Doesn't exactly sound like a well-run conspiracy to me. In fact, what it sounds like is a political movement that's grinding to a halt and everyone who's hitched their wagon to the global warming pony is trying desperately to get one, last kick of life out of it.

By the way, the U.N. threw a party and no one came.

In 2010 the U.N. put on their annual Climate Change Conference in Cancun. Al Gore didn't go. Obama didn't go. No one went. It was for second and third-stringers only. That doesn't sound like the workings of a smoothly functioning conspiracy either. Matter of fact, what it sounds like is a political movement whose best days are behind it and job one right now is to obscure that fact.

I'm not going to bother with your other sovereignty-eroding treaties since I'm pretty sure that like the Kyoto Accords they're all DOA. I know the small arms treaty is as dead as Al Gore's chances of being elected president so unless any of them have passed the Senate they represent no more danger to American sovereignty then does an invasion by the Soviet Union.

The irony is that for all the mockery you've endured from some of the other forum members many of them don't really have a much better explanation for lefties, and the policies they pursue, then do you.

  I would agree that the Kyoto Accord is and has been a lost cause for some time now however it could have been introduced if Obama and Congress hadn't been preoccupied with the Stimulus and Bamster Care bills. We'll never know for sure, I think they were looking for the bigger fish.

As for the annual Climate Change Conference after Climate Gate it's no wonder the first stringers didn't show or if they ever will again.

I'll say it one more time, I don't care for my presidential candidates palling around with Union Leaders and European Socialist types. Just call me a crazed tin hatter. ;)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: arpad on August 28, 2011, 04:19:10 PM
Quote from: The mighty wu on August 27, 2011, 08:12:41 PM

Excellent post, factual and spot on. That type of thinking and logic keeps me coming back here, though I disagree with the latter part of your closing paragraph.
Thanks and feel free to start a thread on the subject. On your disagreement with the latter part of my closing paragraph of course.

Quote from: WoodBurner on August 28, 2011, 04:45:22 AM
I would agree that the Kyoto Accord is and has been a lost cause for some time now however it could have been introduced if Obama and Congress hadn't been preoccupied with the Stimulus and Bamster Care bills. We'll never know for sure, I think they were looking for the bigger fish.
What's that tell you about the Kyoto Accords and such? It's second string stuff and sure they'd get around to it, eventually. If the stars align properly and nothing more important gets in the way but heck, what half-baked lefty idea can't you say that about. The question is, what's at the top of the agenda and global warming no longer is.

Quote
As for the annual Climate Change Conference after Climate Gate it's no wonder the first stringers didn't show or if they ever will again.

I'll say it one more time, I don't care for my presidential candidates palling around with Union Leaders and European Socialist types. Just call me a crazed tin hatter.
Climategate hurt them but I think they were already on the ropes.

I think lefty ideas have a natural arc to them and global warming in particular, and even better the radical environmentalist movement in general, are on the downslope of their arcs. Not to say they can't still get in some licks but their best days are behind them and what victories they achieve will be fewer and farther between.

And since you insist, you're a crazed tin hatter.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on August 28, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: taxed on August 27, 2011, 03:31:49 PM
msbobbie, how many conspiracies that you follow have came to fruition?

I am only following Agenda-21 and everything associated with it that threaten the Sovereignty of the United States of America.

With the backing of the worlds largest banks and corporations, political groups, Secret Organizations, and philanthropic foundations organize and carry out the globalist agenda. Included among these groups are Bilderberg, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission.

International "peacekeeping" organizations such as the United Nations and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) play a major role in forming the foundation of world government.


http://www.indytruth.org/globalism.html (http://www.indytruth.org/globalism.html)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: arpad on August 29, 2011, 01:36:13 PM
I think you, or Agenda-21, are being a bit disingenuous when you lump the UN and NATO together.

Without the U.S. for all intents and purposes there is no NATO so, far from eroding U.S. sovereignty I'd say NATO erodes the sovereignty of the other member nations.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on August 30, 2011, 10:05:15 AM

The United Nations was formed in 1942 to promote international cooperation and to achieve peace and security.

How has that worked out?

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization was formed about 1948 or '49 when member nations agreed to a mutual response in the event of attack.

NATO member States are also members of the United Nations and they do work together.  They are not really separate.  I did not "lump them together".

Question: Isn't the U.N. supreme?  What were we doing in Kosovo and now Libya as examples?

It seems NATO has become an agent of the U.N.

From NATO website;

NATO's new Strategic Concept commits the Alliance to prevent crises, manage conflicts and stabilize post-conflict situations, including by working more closely with NATO's international partners, most importantly the United Nations and the European Union.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_50321.htm (http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_50321.htm)


What if...?

Note: The main aim of Agenda 21 is to control the world and "reduce" human population. War is one very efficient vehicle for 'population control

http://vigilantcanuck.com/2010/08/22/agenda-21-reduction-of-the-worlds-population-by-80-to-90-percent/ (http://vigilantcanuck.com/2010/08/22/agenda-21-reduction-of-the-worlds-population-by-80-to-90-percent/)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: arpad on August 31, 2011, 08:15:13 PM
The member nations of the U.N. and NATO are also members of the UPU (Universal Postal Union). So there's another area of commonality. Big deal. As "smoking gun" evidence of a massive, international conspiracy it leaves more then a little to be desired.

As fas as the U.N. being supreme, on what planet? Certainly not this one. Whatever small power the U.N. had is long gone and at best it's a proxy for some of the more influential member nations like the U.S. If anything I'd say the U.N. is more likely an agent of NATO providing some politically-expedient cover in areas of the world where the politics of colonialism still play to full houses.

And if Agenda 21 is interested in population control you can rest easy. No one's buying their product any more.

Turns out the Chinese, after a couple of decades vigorously pursuing anti-population growth policies with the enthusiasm only an authoritarian regime could manage and stay in power, has awakened to the shocked realization that when you reduce the number of babies being born you end up with an aging population. Turns out China now has the distinction of being the fastest-aging nation on Earth a factoid that's caused more then a bit of concern in Chinese leadership circles.

As a result China's been quietly exploring the easing of restrictions on family size.

Don't you just love the irony? The only thing worse then not listening to the zero population growth fanatics is listening to them?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Shanghai Dan on August 31, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
China's done exploring - they're allowing and encouraging two children per couple...

And note the official policy over the last 20 or so years was the farmers in rural areas could have up to 3 children with no penalty; in cities you could have more than 1 child but faced a pretty stiff fine to make the child "legal".  I do know more than a few families of middle-class folks who have 2 or 3 children in the 2-10 year old range.  Cost as much as a car to get those kids, but they did.

But now China is officially waiving the fine for the second child in most big cities.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on August 31, 2011, 09:23:42 PM
Republicans to Unveil Bill to Force Major Changes at the UNShoots holes in that theory, doesn't it?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-30/republicans-to-unveil-bill-to-force-major-changes-at-the-un.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-30/republicans-to-unveil-bill-to-force-major-changes-at-the-un.html)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Shanghai Dan on August 31, 2011, 10:26:35 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 31, 2011, 09:23:42 PM
Republicans to Unveil Bill to Force Major Changes at the UNShoots holes in that theory, doesn't it?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-30/republicans-to-unveil-bill-to-force-major-changes-at-the-un.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-30/republicans-to-unveil-bill-to-force-major-changes-at-the-un.html)
That's just what they want you to think...  You've not been wearing your tinfoil hat when you've been asleep, have you?  They modulate the AC power into your house with LF waves so that you're subconscious is programmed when you're sleeping.

Tinfoil - all times, all places, always!
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on September 01, 2011, 06:42:50 AM
Quote from: Shanghai Dan on August 31, 2011, 10:26:35 PM
That's just what they want you to think...  You've not been wearing your tinfoil hat when you've been asleep, have you?  They modulate the AC power into your house with LF waves so that you're subconscious is programmed when you're sleeping.

Tinfoil - all times, all places, always!
:)) :)) :)) :))
No, I haven't, the crinkling sounds keeps me awake...

Kicks dirts, and walks away head hung low...
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: quiller on September 01, 2011, 07:10:30 AM
Quote from: msbobbie on August 28, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
I am only following Agenda-21 and everything associated with it that threaten the Sovereignty of the United States of America.

With the backing of the worlds largest banks and corporations, political groups, Secret Organizations, and philanthropic foundations organize and carry out the globalist agenda. Included among these groups are Bilderberg, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission.

International "peacekeeping" organizations such as the United Nations and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) play a major role in forming the foundation of world government.


http://www.indytruth.org/globalism.html (http://www.indytruth.org/globalism.html)


You were specifically asked how many conspiracies have you followed which came to fruition.

The suspicions you have about Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission or any other so-called secret global dominance group? You do know all this smoke is being put out by the Jewish Global Domination Front, don't you? Keeps you looking everywhere else, dont'cha know.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: quiller on September 01, 2011, 07:20:02 AM
Quote from: Solar on August 31, 2011, 09:23:42 PM
Republicans to Unveil Bill to Force Major Changes at the UNShoots holes in that theory, doesn't it?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-30/republicans-to-unveil-bill-to-force-major-changes-at-the-un.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-30/republicans-to-unveil-bill-to-force-major-changes-at-the-un.html)


I don't see the Senate allowing the bill to survive committee-level. It will die at the end of the 112th Congress, yes?
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on September 01, 2011, 07:35:19 AM
Quote from: quiller on September 01, 2011, 07:20:02 AM
I don't see the Senate allowing the bill to survive committee-level. It will die at the end of the 112th Congress, yes?

Maybe, maybe not, the point was to show her that not everyone is buying into her conspiracy that there is some secret movement at hand by the Gov to give our sovereignty over to a faceless entity.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on September 01, 2011, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: quiller on September 01, 2011, 07:10:30 AM
You were specifically asked how many conspiracies have you followed which came to fruition.



And I answered in reply #91  "I am only following Agenda 21"

Agenda 21 is a work in progress.  At this point the specific answer would be "zero...YET".
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on September 01, 2011, 08:54:53 AM
Quote from: Solar on August 31, 2011, 09:23:42 PM
Republicans to Unveil Bill to Force Major Changes at the UNShoots holes in that theory, doesn't it?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-30/republicans-to-unveil-bill-to-force-major-changes-at-the-un.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-30/republicans-to-unveil-bill-to-force-major-changes-at-the-un.html)

Introducing a bill means only that.  It has not, and probably will not, reach the floor for a vote; much less pass and be sent to the Senate.

Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on September 01, 2011, 09:00:06 AM
It was a matter of time before China reversed the one child policy.  Since male children are preferred, fewer female babies were being born. 

Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on September 01, 2011, 09:14:51 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 01, 2011, 07:35:19 AM
Maybe, maybe not, the point was to show her that not everyone is buying into her conspiracy that there is some secret movement at hand by the Gov to give our sovereignty over to a faceless entity.

The "conspiracy" is not mine.  I do believe there is a (not so) secret movement at hand to control and influence our government.

The movement is not one of our government now, but as these secret entities use their power, money and other influences to decide who gets elected our future government could well eagerly give over our sovereignty to a One World Order.

Our salvation is not in the Oval Office, but in our House of Representatives and U.S. Senate.

Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on September 01, 2011, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: msbobbie on September 01, 2011, 09:14:51 AM
The "conspiracy" is not mine.  I do believe there is a (not so) secret movement at hand to control and influence our government.

The movement is not one of our government now, but as these secret entities use their power, money and other influences to decide who gets elected our future government could well eagerly give over our sovereignty to a One World Order.


Our salvation is not in the Oval Office, but in our House of Representatives and U.S. Senate.
On this we agree, but it has been that way since our inception.
These not so secret entities have one option only, and that is the UN, but the UN requires our Gov to rewrite our Constitution for them to have authority over us.
And that's not going to happen.

I'm more concerned with the people that propped up Hussein and got him elected, they are the real threat in this Country.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on September 01, 2011, 02:26:14 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 01, 2011, 10:15:55 AM
On this we agree, but it has been that way since our inception.
These not so secret entities have one option only, and that is the UN, but the UN requires our Gov to rewrite our Constitution for them to have authority over us.
And that's not going to happen.

I'm more concerned with the people that propped up Hussein and got him elected, they are the real threat in this Country.

Yes it has been going on since our inception.  I have said it many times myself.  Before the ink was dry on those signatures on the Constitution of the United States forces were at work to dismantle it.

The forces continue and the protections are even being used against us; as in Sharia Law and illegal immigration.  We are soon to be outnumbered because 35%-40% of registered voters do not vote.  The main player in getting Hussein elected was George Soros.

Fortunately we have the Koch brothers on our side but they do not get the meedeeah attention Soros does because although they can purchase all the advertising they desire, they do not own the meedeeah outlets like the CFR does.

There are 69 members of the American Socialist Party in the U.S. House of Representatives, all elected as Democrats, and of course Barney Sanders in the Senate who admits who he is. (and keeps getting re elected  ::)

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=191605 (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=191605)

That is quite a large voting block.  I have not found a report of how many may have been defeated in the 2010 elections.

Those secret societies do not just concentrate on getting the POTUS elected.  POTUS cannot impose much on us without the approval of the Senate.

Every other nation has adopted the Kyoto Protocol, except the United States and there is another convention coming up:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/indepth/2011-08/30/c_131084947.htm (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/indepth/2011-08/30/c_131084947.htm)

I have not looked at L.O.S.T. for awhile and do not know where that stands.

The U.S. Senate has not ratified the Environmental Development agreement (AKA Agenda 21) signed by Bush 1  in Rio in 1992, but another convention called RIO+20 will be held next year.  No doubt Obama will sign it (or since he will be in campaign mode, send Biden to do it)

I do not know how long our current crop of Senators can stall a vote on ratification, but I am concerned.

Hillary Clinton has signed a small arms treaty with the U.N. we need to be concerned about the Senate ratifying.  Albeit, that treaty pertains to imports and exports but it would open the door to further attacks on our Second Amendment.

I do not want to get off topic, but there has long been an effort to rewrite our Constitution.  Mostly over the Electoral College.  In My Not So Humble Opinion, a Constitutional Convention is the last thing we need, especially in this climate.

Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on September 01, 2011, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: arpad on August 31, 2011, 08:15:13 PM
The member nations of the U.N. and NATO are also members of the UPU (Universal Postal Union). So there's another area of commonality. Big deal. As "smoking gun" evidence of a massive, international conspiracy it leaves more then a little to be desired.

I was replying to you accusing me of lumping the U.N. and NATO together.  I guess I made my point because now you want to throw UPU into the mix.  They are not a Nation so they would not be members of NATO or the U.N.

Me thinks thou doth protest too much.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on September 01, 2011, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: msbobbie on September 01, 2011, 02:26:14 PM
Yes it has been going on since our inception.  I have said it many times myself.  Before the ink was dry on those signatures on the Constitution of the United States forces were at work to dismantle it.

The forces continue and the protections are even being used against us; as in Sharia Law and illegal immigration.  We are soon to be outnumbered because 35%-40% of registered voters do not vote.  The main player in getting Hussein elected was George Soros.

Fortunately we have the Koch brothers on our side but they do not get the meedeeah attention Soros does because although they can purchase all the advertising they desire, they do not own the meedeeah outlets like the CFR does.

There are 69 members of the American Socialist Party in the U.S. House of Representatives, all elected as Democrats, and of course Barney Sanders in the Senate who admits who he is. (and keeps getting re elected  ::)

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=191605 (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=191605)

That is quite a large voting block.  I have not found a report of how many may have been defeated in the 2010 elections.

Those secret societies do not just concentrate on getting the POTUS elected.  POTUS cannot impose much on us without the approval of the Senate.

Every other nation has adopted the Kyoto Protocol, except the United States and there is another convention coming up:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/indepth/2011-08/30/c_131084947.htm (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/indepth/2011-08/30/c_131084947.htm)

I have not looked at L.O.S.T. for awhile and do not know where that stands.

The U.S. Senate has not ratified the Environmental Development agreement (AKA Agenda 21) signed by Bush 1  in Rio in 1992, but another convention called RIO+20 will be held next year.  No doubt Obama will sign it (or since he will be in campaign mode, send Biden to do it)

I do not know how long our current crop of Senators can stall a vote on ratification, but I am concerned.

Hillary Clinton has signed a small arms treaty with the U.N. we need to be concerned about the Senate ratifying.  Albeit, that treaty pertains to imports and exports but it would open the door to further attacks on our Second Amendment.

I do not want to get off topic, but there has long been an effort to rewrite our Constitution.  Mostly over the Electoral College.  In My Not So Humble Opinion, a Constitutional Convention is the last thing we need, especially in this climate.


This is why I said you need to step back and see the big picture.
You seem to be under the impression that our Constitution will be thrown out at any moment, because that is the only way all of what you claim, can possibly happen.

Stop hyper focusing on the little entities trying to circumvent our laws as if it is one big collective conspiracy.
We the voter still have the final say in this Country and the people are pissed, as you will see if you read what the Dims have discovered.
http://nation.foxnews.com/tea-party/2011/08/04/liberal-pollsters-devastating-memo-obama-join-tea-party (http://nation.foxnews.com/tea-party/2011/08/04/liberal-pollsters-devastating-memo-obama-join-tea-party)
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: arpad on September 01, 2011, 03:25:56 PM
Yeah, the American Socialist Party is a credible source of, well, pretty much nothing.

While it wouldn't surprise me that there might be a representative or two who is/was a member I wouldn't take the word of the organization on the time of day.

So it's not "quite a large voting bloc" unless there's a House of Representatives in the fevered imaginations of whoever puts out the newsletter of the American Socialist Party.

Also, not only hasn't every other nation adopted the Kyoto Accords those that did have abandoned it with the exception of Norway which has substantial natural gas and hydroelectric resources. Other then that every other signatory's abandoned even the pretense of abiding by their Kyoto Accords responsibilities and, you'll notice, enforcement action isn't under way.

And like I wrote up the thread, the Secretary of State or the president can sign what they want but if it isn't ratified in the Senate it's just toilet paper. If the lefties couldn't get that stuff through in Obama's first two years, and they didn't even bother to introduce any of those treaties into the Senate for discussion, they're sure as heck not going to get them through with the Senate's current composition.

As for your being concerned that something might sneak through, that's both proper and expected. The founders didn't put together a nation that guaranteed liberty but a nation that made it possible to maintain liberty. It's a high-maintenance proposition just due to perfectly ordinary human proclivities which, by the way, explain all the various problems we face.

We don't need any shadowy conspiracies to provide a basis for our problems. We're quite capable of creating problems for ourselves without the, I'm sure, able assistance of secret organizations of evil.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on September 02, 2011, 04:56:04 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 01, 2011, 03:13:32 PM
This is why I said you need to step back and see the big picture.
You seem to be under the impression that our Constitution will be thrown out at any moment, because that is the only way all of what you claim, can possibly happen.

Stop hyper focusing on the little entities trying to circumvent our laws as if it is one big collective conspiracy.
We the voter still have the final say in this Country and the people are pissed, as you will see if you read what the Dims have discovered.
http://nation.foxnews.com/tea-party/2011/08/04/liberal-pollsters-devastating-memo-obama-join-tea-party (http://nation.foxnews.com/tea-party/2011/08/04/liberal-pollsters-devastating-memo-obama-join-tea-party)

Now, Solar; I have not indicated that our Constitution "will be thrown out at any moment".  I have said efforts to dismantle it have been going on (in your words) "since its inception".  "looking at the big picture" is how some of us see what the "little entities" are doing behind the scenes.  It is those who believe we will always be protected by the Constitution and ignore the "little entities" and possibilities that worry me.

Too many of those voters will vote for the Liberal agenda of "helping the poor" without realizing the other things that will go with it and they will get the whole package.

Just as Obama warned us that (paraphrased) "electricity costs will necessarily skyrocket".

Lew Rockwell writes  In this futuristic world, literally everything you do is tightly monitored and controlled by control freak bureaucrats in the name of  "sustainable development" and with the goal of promoting "the green agenda".  An international ruling body has centralized global control over all human activity. 

What you eat,* what you drink, where you live, how warm or cold your home can be and how much fuel you can use is determined by them.  Anyone that dissents or that tries to rebel against the system is sent off for "re-education".**

The human population is 90 percent lower than it is today in this futuristic society, and all remaining humans have been herded into tightly constricted cities which are run much like prisons.  Does all of that sound good to you?  Well, this is what Agenda 21 is all about.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep2/al-gore-agenda-21-population-control.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep2/al-gore-agenda-21-population-control.html)


* Aren't they already doing that?

**(I am doubtful those sent for re education will return, and that thought will keep the remaining masses toeing the line)

I do not believe for a skinny minute the Democratic Party/Socialists are going to adopt a Tea Party/Conservative platform.  They may 'say' things along those lines to try; to keep from losing votes, but practicing what they say will not happen.

I remember well, the day after the 1994 General Election, when Bill Clinton hit the ground running on a Republican platform.


Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on September 02, 2011, 05:13:32 AM
Quote from: arpad on September 01, 2011, 03:25:56 PM
Yeah, the American Socialist Party is a credible source of, well, pretty much nothing.

While it wouldn't surprise me that there might be a representative or two who is/was a member I wouldn't take the word of the organization on the time of day.

So it's not "quite a large voting bloc" unless there's a House of Representatives in the fevered imaginations of whoever puts out the newsletter of the American Socialist Party.


Well.  The names are published.  Don't you think WND would have taken them down if there were any objections?


[quote}
Also, not only hasn't every other nation adopted the Kyoto Accords those that did have abandoned it with the exception of Norway which has substantial natural gas and hydroelectric resources. Other then that every other signatory's abandoned even the pretense of abiding by their Kyoto Accords responsibilities and, you'll notice, enforcement action isn't under way.[/quote]

Your sources? 


Quote
And like I wrote up the thread, the Secretary of State or the president can sign what they want but if it isn't ratified in the Senate it's just toilet paper. If the lefties couldn't get that stuff through in Obama's first two years, and they didn't even bother to introduce any of those treaties into the Senate for discussion, they're sure as heck not going to get them through with the Senate's current composition.

I also said the United States is not bound by treaties the President makes without Senate approval.   I am hopeful the current composition of the Senate will improve further next year.

Quote
As for your being concerned that something might sneak through, that's bot
h proper and expected. The founders didn't put together a nation that guaranteed liberty but a nation that made it possible to maintain liberty. It's a high-maintenance proposition just due to perfectly ordinary human proclivities which, by the way, explain all the various problems we face.

We don't need any shadowy conspiracies to provide a basis for our problems. We're quite capable of creating problems for ourselves without the, I'm sure, able assistance of secret organizations of evil.

Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: arpad on September 02, 2011, 05:38:59 AM
Still banging on population control drum?

If the Chinese have had their fill of it, having come to know the reality of population control, what makes you think it'll take here in the U.S.? In fact, the whole idea's so "1980s" and other then among the most extreme environmentalists is liable to get you a puzzled, probably slightly alarmed, look if you bring it up.

The population control movement is dead in the U.S. and has been for quite a while. Even in those places where it got enacted into law it's losing its hold so it's done and if Lew Rockwell's still pounding the theme it's just an example of how out of touch he is.

You are right about the Democrats not adopting a Tea Party/Conservative platform any time soon but that's immaterial if they're losing elections and I'd maintain that the reason the Republicans lost the House, Senate and Presidency wasn't because they weren't far enough to the left but because they were too far to the left. Unfortunately, you can't vote directly for a policy but only for the people you hope will act on the policy so when the Republican's lost the faith of the American people the Democrats were there to enjoy the benefit.

Of course it only took two years of very distinctly left wing governance to remind everyone why even RINOs are preferable to real left-wingers. And as you pointed out, Bill Clinton, as soon as he was elected found success in "triangulation" which was the media's excuse for Clinton crapping on the lefties who voted for him. Say what you will about Clinton, and there's plenty to say, but as a political weather vane he has few equals and the wind, according to Clinton, was blowing towards the right.

What will happen/is happening is that the Democratic party is being driven to the right.

In swing districts Republicans are being elected because Republicans are perceived as inherently more conservative then Democrats. If a Democrat wants to be competitive in those areas they have to move in the direction the electorate dictates and that direction is to the right. So the successful Democrats will be successful by talking, and sooner or later acting, conservative.

In a district adjacent to mine there's a Democrat - Garry Peters - who's about as far to the left as Nancy Pelosi and got swept in on Obama's coattails. His district is actually pretty conservative and Peters has gone to considerable lengths to obscure his voting record. He's also gotten lucky in his Republican opponents. But in the mid-terms you would have thought he was a board member of the NRA and a small-government Republican.

He hung on but he's just a big, fat target for a real conservative. That's a real conservative Republican or Democrat. Peters knows it which is why he's trying as hard as possible to look like a conservative. You don't do that kind of thing without a reason and the reason is the public's not anywhere near as comfortable with left-wing ideas as we once were and we were never all that comfortable with left wing ideas.

So the Democrats won't embrace conservative ideas. They'll have conservative ideas thrust upon them. In fact, it's already happening.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on September 02, 2011, 06:37:23 AM
Quote from: msbobbie on September 02, 2011, 04:56:04 AM
Now, Solar; I have not indicated that our Constitution "will be thrown out at any moment".  I have said efforts to dismantle it have been going on (in your words) "since its inception".  "looking at the big picture" is how some of us see what the "little entities" are doing behind the scenes.  It is those who believe we will always be protected by the Constitution and ignore the "little entities" and possibilities that worry me.
For your scenario to occur, the Constitution cannot exist.

QuoteToo many of those voters will vote for the Liberal agenda of "helping the poor" without realizing the other things that will go with it and they will get the whole package.

Just as Obama warned us that (paraphrased) "electricity costs will necessarily skyrocket".

Lew Rockwell writes  In this futuristic world, literally everything you do is tightly monitored and controlled by control freak bureaucrats in the name of  "sustainable development" and with the goal of promoting "the green agenda".  An international ruling body has centralized global control over all human activity. 

What you eat,* what you drink, where you live, how warm or cold your home can be and how much fuel you can use is determined by them.  Anyone that dissents or that tries to rebel against the system is sent off for "re-education".**

The human population is 90 percent lower than it is today in this futuristic society, and all remaining humans have been herded into tightly constricted cities which are run much like prisons.  Does all of that sound good to you?  Well, this is what Agenda 21 is all about.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep2/al-gore-agenda-21-population-control.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep2/al-gore-agenda-21-population-control.html)


* Aren't they already doing that?
Last time I looked, Al Gorbachev is a toxic entity and has been dropped as the spokesperson for all things Green.
Quote**(I am doubtful those sent for re education will return, and that thought will keep the remaining masses toeing the line)

I do not believe for a skinny minute the Democratic Party/Socialists are going to adopt a Tea Party/Conservative platform.  They may 'say' things along those lines to try; to keep from losing votes, but practicing what they say will not happen.

I remember well, the day after the 1994 General Election, when Bill Clinton hit the ground running on a Republican platform.
You totally missed the point of the article I posted.
The point is, his base is sick of being lied to and sick of a Gov that is not listening and expanding out of control.
Much of the base left for the Tea party.

Read it again.
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on September 03, 2011, 07:41:38 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 02, 2011, 06:37:23 AM
For your scenario to occur, the Constitution cannot exist.


I know that.  I also know there are forces at work to dismantle and destroy that Constitution

Quote
Last time I looked, Al Gorbachev is a toxic entity and has been dropped as the spokesperson for all things Green.You totally missed the point of the article I posted.
The point is, his base is sick of being lied to and sick of a Gov that is not listening and expanding out of control.
Much of the base left for the Tea party.

Read it again.

Quote

The point is, his base is sick of being lied to and sick of a Gov that is not listening and expanding out of control.
Much of the base left for the Tea party.

Read it again.


I missed nothing.l.. including the title of the article

Liberal Pollster's Devastating Memo to Obama: Join the Tea Party

Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: Solar on September 03, 2011, 07:51:41 PM
Quote from: msbobbie on September 03, 2011, 07:41:38 PM

I know that.  I also know there are forces at work to dismantle and destroy that Constitution

Yes there is, it's called the Democratic party and their commie affiliates, but they are about to be kicked out of power for an entire generation.
Mark my word...
Title: Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
Post by: msbobbie on September 04, 2011, 11:58:24 AM

I agree the Democratic Party is at work to destroy the Constitution.  There are Democratic lawmakers hanging on for dear life that they can change the direction of their party from within back to what it once was.

Do you remember when Zel Miller resigned about 6 years ago?  I recall seeing an interview with Sean Hannity when Mr. Miller cried over leaving politics because of the direction the Party had taken, but he refused to change parties.

There is still a huge number of Democratic voters who believe nothing other that Democrats "help the poor people", and they will continue to vote for the Democratic candidate regardless of everything else the Party stands for.

I want to believe "they are about to be kicked out of power", and I am working very hard to help make that happen, but I still worry.

I worry because of the elder vote and the D-mantra that Republicans will take away their Social Security.

I worry because of the first time voters who are going to be promised a free college education.

I worry because of the segment of our population who depend on (or take advantage of) the social services.

And I worry because I also talk to a number of conservatives who believe it is too late to preserve the Constitution as it was written 224 years ago and have stopped voting.

Perhaps you are familiar with this essay.  The author has been disputed, but the words could not be more true, no matter who wrote them:

A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.  From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.


Agenda-21 (the U.N. goals for the 21st Century) IS real.  The goal is total government control with emphasis on the environment and "sustainable development".  They already know the Constitution of the United States stands in their way and are beginning to concentrate on taking over the small communities and destroy from the bottom up instead of the high level bureaucracies.

I.C.L.E.I (International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives) is the evil arm of the U.N. reaching into the small communities that few people are aware of.