RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate

[msbobbie]

David Rockefeller's a lefty so naturally he'd get sprung thinking about world government. But lefties have been blabbing about world government for a long time, even made to stabs at it and both ended in ludicrous failure even if the current pathetic attempt at world government, the U.N., hasn't yet bit the big one.

I understand the attraction world government holds for lefties. They think government's the solution whatever the problem and because they're the proper and appropriate leaders of mankind - in their own minds - they'll be in charge of that world government.

Another reason lefties swoon at the thought of world government is because, mighty intellects that they are, they've noticed that governments engage in wars. If there's one government then there's no more war! It's brilliant! It's insightful!

It's stupid.

Trouble is, as a conspiratorialist you suffer from a similar affliction. You're so sure your smart that you're willing to accept pretty lousy evidence if it makes you feel smart. But flattering yourself isn't any more sincere then flattery from others and I won't have any of it. If the evidence won't stand then I'm not interested no matter how colorful the story.

Since I have to guess what goes on at a Bilderberg's session I'll tell you what I think the product of one of those Bilderberg sessions probably is and that's not much.

You've got a whole heap of wealthy, powerful people who are largely used to getting their own way. One thing they won't accept is orders from anyone no better then they are and they are world leaders. Who's going to tell them what to do? Obama? A punk who got lucky and in a little over a year he'll be gone if we're lucky. This year you have to pay heed to what he says. Next year? Maybe not. In either case he's a temp and while he can cause problems while he's around it's not that long till he's gone.

Who else is there? Bill Gates? Warren Buffett? George Soros? All capable, intelligent, very successful men but all they've got to bend other Bildergers to their will is their powers of persuasion and that's not the stuff of deep, dark conspiracies.

I believe major things that have happened in my memory was part of the plan to form a One World Order.  Things like The Law Of The Sea Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.

More recently the powers that be have begun to dismantle the Constitution of the United States, bit by bit because it stands in their way.

David Rockefeller is a descendant of the Rothchild family who started this whole One World Order thing over two hundred years ago. 

In 1773, Mayer summoned twelve wealthy men to Frankfort and asked them to pool their resources, then presented the 25-point plan that would enable them to gain control of the wealth, natural resources and manpower of the entire world.


Those 25 points are:

1. Use violence and terrorism rather than academic discussions.
2. Preach "Liberalism" to usurp political power.
3. Initiate class warfare. 
4. Politicians must be cunning and deceptive – any moral code leaves a politician vulnerable.   
5. Dismantle "existing forces of order and regulation." Reconstruct all existing institutions."
6. Remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it.
7. Use Mob Psychology to control the masses. "Without absolute despotism one cannot rule efficiently."
8. Advocate the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption and all forms of vice, used systematically by "agenteurs" to corrupt the youth.
9. Seize properties by any means to secure submission and sovereignty.
10. Foment wars and control the peace conferences so that neither of the combatants gains territory placing them further in debt and therefore into our power.
11. Choose candidates for public office who will be "servile and obedient to our commands, so they may be readily used as pawns in our game."
12. Use the Press for propaganda to control all outlets of public information, while remaining in the shadows, clear of blame.
13. Make the masses believe they had been the prey of criminals. Then restore order to appear as the saviors.
14. Create financial panics. Use hunger to control to subjugate the masses.
15. Infiltrate Freemasonry to take advantage of the Grand Orient Lodges to cloak the true nature of their work in philanthropy. Spread their atheistic-materialistic ideology amongst the "Goyim" (gentiles).
16. When the hour strikes for our sovereign lord of the entire World to be crowned, their influence will banish everything that might stand in his way.
17. Use systematic deception, high-sounding phrases and popular slogans. "The opposite of what has been promised can always be done afterwards... That is of no consequence."
18. A Reign of Terror is the most economical way to bring about speedy subjection.
19. Masquerade as political, financial and economic advisers to carry out our mandates with Diplomacy and without fear of exposing "the secret power behind national and international affairs."
20. Ultimate world government is the goal. It will be necessary to establish huge monopolies, so even the largest fortunes of the Goyim will depend on us to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of their governments on the day after the great political smash." 
21. Use economic warfare. Rob the "Goyim" of their landed properties and industries with a combination of high taxes and unfair competition.
22. "Make the 'Goyim' destroy each other so there will only be the proletariat left in the world, with a few millionaires devoted to our cause, and sufficient police and soldiers to protect our interest."
23. Call it The New Order. Appoint a Dictator.
24. Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories and principles we know to be false.
25 Twist national and international laws into a contradiction which first masks the law and afterwards hides it altogether. Substitute arbitration for law.

http://www.spingola.com/before_ rockefeller.htm

[Solar]

I believe major things that have happened in my memory was part of the plan to form a One World Order.  Things like The Law Of The Sea Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.

More recently the powers that be have begun to dismantle the Constitution of the United States, bit by bit because it stands in their way.

David Rockefeller is a descendant of the Rothchild family who started this whole One World Order thing over two hundred years ago. 

In 1773, Mayer summoned twelve wealthy men to Frankfort and asked them to pool their resources, then presented the 25-point plan that would enable them to gain control of the wealth, natural resources and manpower of the entire world.


Those 25 points are:

1. Use violence and terrorism rather than academic discussions.
2. Preach "Liberalism" to usurp political power.
3. Initiate class warfare. 
4. Politicians must be cunning and deceptive – any moral code leaves a politician vulnerable.   
5. Dismantle "existing forces of order and regulation." Reconstruct all existing institutions."
6. Remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it.
7. Use Mob Psychology to control the masses. "Without absolute despotism one cannot rule efficiently."
8. Advocate the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption and all forms of vice, used systematically by "agenteurs" to corrupt the youth.
9. Seize properties by any means to secure submission and sovereignty.
10. Foment wars and control the peace conferences so that neither of the combatants gains territory placing them further in debt and therefore into our power.
11. Choose candidates for public office who will be "servile and obedient to our commands, so they may be readily used as pawns in our game."
12. Use the Press for propaganda to control all outlets of public information, while remaining in the shadows, clear of blame.
13. Make the masses believe they had been the prey of criminals. Then restore order to appear as the saviors.
14. Create financial panics. Use hunger to control to subjugate the masses.
15. Infiltrate Freemasonry to take advantage of the Grand Orient Lodges to cloak the true nature of their work in philanthropy. Spread their atheistic-materialistic ideology amongst the "Goyim" (gentiles).
16. When the hour strikes for our sovereign lord of the entire World to be crowned, their influence will banish everything that might stand in his way.
17. Use systematic deception, high-sounding phrases and popular slogans. "The opposite of what has been promised can always be done afterwards... That is of no consequence."
18. A Reign of Terror is the most economical way to bring about speedy subjection.
19. Masquerade as political, financial and economic advisers to carry out our mandates with Diplomacy and without fear of exposing "the secret power behind national and international affairs."
20. Ultimate world government is the goal. It will be necessary to establish huge monopolies, so even the largest fortunes of the Goyim will depend on us to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of their governments on the day after the great political smash." 
21. Use economic warfare. Rob the "Goyim" of their landed properties and industries with a combination of high taxes and unfair competition.
22. "Make the 'Goyim' destroy each other so there will only be the proletariat left in the world, with a few millionaires devoted to our cause, and sufficient police and soldiers to protect our interest."
23. Call it The New Order. Appoint a Dictator.
24. Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories and principles we know to be false.
25 Twist national and international laws into a contradiction which first masks the law and afterwards hides it altogether. Substitute arbitration for law.

http://www.spingola.com/before_ rockefeller.htm

Yet somehow this is proof that the Bilderberg group has been systematically taking over the World? ::)

[msbobbie]

Call it whatever you want, Solar.  What harm in considering that it might be true, and preparing as best we can?

Up to you if you choose not to.

[Solar]

Call it whatever you want, Solar.  What harm in considering that it might be true, and preparing as best we can?

Up to you if you choose not to.

No, I want to understand the connection you're making between the two groups.

You know, people have always suspected an evil entity had been formed to control their lives, and I'm sure to some extent that is true, but like people meeting in a bar, discussing politics and saving the World over a few beers, these evil groups garner about the same amount of power.

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States —in the fields of commerce and manufacturing—are afraid of somebody. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson[/size][/font]

[Shanghai Dan]

Do you like pigeon pie?

If it moves, I'll eat it - at least once...;)

[Solar]

If it moves, I'll eat it - at least once... ;)

Run Bert, he has a spatula in one hand and BBQ sauce in the other.

[msbobbie]

No, I want to understand the connection you're making between the two groups.

You know, people have always suspected an evil entity had been formed to control their lives, and I'm sure to some extent that is true, but like people meeting in a bar, discussing politics and saving the World over a few beers, these evil groups garner about the same amount of power.

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States —in the fields of commerce and manufacturing—are afraid of somebody. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson[/size][/font]

Estulin sees the current focus in the U.S. on the presidential election of 2008 as something of a farce in light of this trend.
"Does it really matter who wins?" he asks. "As I make very clear in 'The True Story of the Bilderberg Group,' every politician of note and promise belongs to the Bilderbergers, CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) or the Trilateral Commission.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58778

I earlier posted a quote by David Rockefeller.

The United Nations has been very open about their goal for a One World Order.  The CFR has long held for a One World Order.

There are many CFR members on the list of Bilderberg attendees.

I think the Bilderbergers are the more elite of the CFR.


Woodrow Wilson was the guy that pushed for the Federal Reserve.  I read once that on his deathbed he said "I have destroyed the country I love".

Here is how:

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild

[Shanghai Dan]

Run Bert, he has a spatula in one hand and BBQ sauce in the other.

GET ON MY GRILLE NOW!!!

[arpad]

I believe major things that have happened in my memory was part of the plan to form a One World Order.  Things like The Law Of The Sea Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.

More recently the powers that be have begun to dismantle the Constitution of the United States, bit by bit because it stands in their way.

David Rockefeller is a descendant of the Rothchild family who started this whole One World Order thing over two hundred years ago. 

In 1773, Mayer summoned twelve wealthy men to Frankfort and asked them to pool their resources, then presented the 25-point plan that would enable them to gain control of the wealth, natural resources and manpower of the entire world.


Those 25 points are:

1. Use violence and terrorism rather than academic discussions.
2. Preach "Liberalism" to usurp political power.
3. Initiate class warfare. 
4. Politicians must be cunning and deceptive – any moral code leaves a politician vulnerable. 
5. Dismantle "existing forces of order and regulation." Reconstruct all existing institutions."
6. Remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it.
7. Use Mob Psychology to control the masses. "Without absolute despotism one cannot rule efficiently."
8. Advocate the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption and all forms of vice, used systematically by "agenteurs" to corrupt the youth.
9. Seize properties by any means to secure submission and sovereignty.
10. Foment wars and control the peace conferences so that neither of the combatants gains territory placing them further in debt and therefore into our power.
11. Choose candidates for public office who will be "servile and obedient to our commands, so they may be readily used as pawns in our game."
12. Use the Press for propaganda to control all outlets of public information, while remaining in the shadows, clear of blame.
13. Make the masses believe they had been the prey of criminals. Then restore order to appear as the saviors.
14. Create financial panics. Use hunger to control to subjugate the masses.
15. Infiltrate Freemasonry to take advantage of the Grand Orient Lodges to cloak the true nature of their work in philanthropy. Spread their atheistic-materialistic ideology amongst the "Goyim" (gentiles).
16. When the hour strikes for our sovereign lord of the entire World to be crowned, their influence will banish everything that might stand in his way.
17. Use systematic deception, high-sounding phrases and popular slogans. "The opposite of what has been promised can always be done afterwards... That is of no consequence."
18. A Reign of Terror is the most economical way to bring about speedy subjection.
19. Masquerade as political, financial and economic advisers to carry out our mandates with Diplomacy and without fear of exposing "the secret power behind national and international affairs."
20. Ultimate world government is the goal. It will be necessary to establish huge monopolies, so even the largest fortunes of the Goyim will depend on us to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of their governments on the day after the great political smash." 
21. Use economic warfare. Rob the "Goyim" of their landed properties and industries with a combination of high taxes and unfair competition.
22. "Make the 'Goyim' destroy each other so there will only be the proletariat left in the world, with a few millionaires devoted to our cause, and sufficient police and soldiers to protect our interest."
23. Call it The New Order. Appoint a Dictator.
24. Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories and principles we know to be false.
25 Twist national and international laws into a contradiction which first masks the law and afterwards hides it altogether. Substitute arbitration for law.

http://www.spingola.com/before_ rockefeller.htm

Well let's see. The Kyoto Accords is toast and has been for some time. It was never anywhere near as horrible as you make out for the simple reason that there's no enforcement mechanism. If a signatory decides "screw it" who's going to do what? Sure as hell the U.S. isn't going to enforce the terms of the treaty on other nations and, oh by the way, we told the Kyoto Accord folks to go pound sand. Sounds to me like at least one part of the One World Government plan hit snag.

If you care to detail the means by which the The Law Of The Sea Treaty is supposed to take us a step towards world government feel free to do so but just mentioning it isn't enough to make it as scary as it ought to be.

I couldn't find any information that indicates David Rockefeller is related to the Rothschilds. That's your cue to provide some credible evidence of an assertion which, by itself, proves nothing.

Oh, and whoever Mayer is he doesn't seem to have advanced his agenda noticeably.

Points 21 and 22 drew a hard look but I'll wait to see what other indications emerge, if they do, that you're one of those people who are so insightful that even the deeply-masked and cunningly-concealed International Jewish conspiracy doesn't fool you.

[Solar]

Well let's see. The Kyoto Accords is toast and has been for some time. It was never anywhere near as horrible as you make out for the simple reason that there's no enforcement mechanism. If a signatory decides "screw it" who's going to do what? Sure as hell the U.S. isn't going to enforce the terms of the treaty on other nations and, oh by the way, we told the Kyoto Accord folks to go pound sand. Sounds to me like at least one part of the One World Government plan hit snag.

If you care to detail the means by which the The Law Of The Sea Treaty is supposed to take us a step towards world government feel free to do so but just mentioning it isn't enough to make it as scary as it ought to be.

I couldn't find any information that indicates David Rockefeller is related to the Rothschilds. That's your cue to provide some credible evidence of an assertion which, by itself, proves nothing.

Oh, and whoever Mayer is he doesn't seem to have advanced his agenda noticeably.

Points 21 and 22 drew a hard look but I'll wait to see what other indications emerge, if they do, that you're one of those people who are so insightful that even the deeply-masked and cunningly-concealed International Jewish conspiracy doesn't fool you.

Estulin sees the current focus in the U.S. on the presidential election of 2008 as something of a farce in light of this trend.
"Does it really matter who wins?" he asks. "As I make very clear in 'The True Story of the Bilderberg Group,' every politician of note and promise belongs to the Bilderbergers, CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) or the Trilateral Commission.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58778

I earlier posted a quote by David Rockefeller.

The United Nations has been very open about their goal for a One World Order.  The CFR has long held for a One World Order.

There are many CFR members on the list of Bilderberg attendees.

I think the Bilderbergers are the more elite of the CFR.


Woodrow Wilson was the guy that pushed for the Federal Reserve.  I read once that on his deathbed he said "I have destroyed the country I love".

Here is how:

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild

And yet, here we are about to throw the socialist out on his ass.

The list you post sounds pretty much like the 1963 Communist Goals:
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
Take a look, but yet we still have a Country that is neither run by commies or banksters, and we still have a vote.

You need to seriously take a step back and see the bigger picture, the people still have the final say.
If all of what you claim were true and an evil entity was pulling all the strings, we would have lost our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights long ago, the last thing a secret power wants is an armed populace  sharing ideas over the airwaves.

It's nowhere near as big as you think it is.

[msbobbie]

The Kyoto Accord is not really toast.  It could come back at any time when the powers that be think they have a friendly U.S. Senate.  So could L.O.S.T.  So could the environmental compact GHWB signed at the Earth Summit in 1992 and BHO will likely renew next year.  So could the small arms treaty Hillary Clinton signed with the U.N. a couple of years ago.

The horrible thing about these and other compacts is they destroy the sovereignty of the United States of America and subject us to the world court.

The love of money drew the Rothchilds and Rockefellers together way back in the 1800s.  The Rothchilds were bankers and the early Rockefeller was a drug dealer. 
 
It appears to me Mayer Rothchild's plan is marching right along and nearing completion.  I could put a check mark beside nearly every one of those 25 items.

[taxed]

msbobbie, how many conspiracies that you follow have came to fruition?

[arpad]

The Kyoto Accord is not really toast.  It could come back at any time when the powers that be think they have a friendly U.S. Senate.  So could L.O.S.T.  So could the environmental compact GHWB signed at the Earth Summit in 1992 and BHO will likely renew next year.  So could the small arms treaty Hillary Clinton signed with the U.N. a couple of years ago.

The horrible thing about these and other compacts is they destroy the sovereignty of the United States of America and subject us to the world court.

The love of money drew the Rothchilds and Rockefellers together way back in the 1800s.  The Rothchilds were bankers and the early Rockefeller was a drug dealer. 

It appears to me Mayer Rothchild's plan is marching right along and nearing completion.  I could put a check mark beside nearly every one of those 25 items.

The only time there was much chance of the Kyoto Accords passing the Senate was in 1993 and then it lost a straw poll so badly that Bill Clinton never introduced the treat for ratification. Since then have things gotten better for the Kyoto Accords or worse?

And if you choose to reply to that question keep in mind it's almost twenty years since the Kyoto Accords treaty wasn't ratified and when the leftiest president since FDR had the leftiest House and Senate the Kyoto Accords still weren't introduced for ratification. That ought to tell you something if you're not wedded to your desire to feel very insightful on little evidence.

But the evidence that the enviro-left is a collapsing force is even more compelling then the refusal to even introduce the Kyoto Accords to the Senate. Remember the Climate Summit in Copenhagen in 2000? Remember how that turned out?

It collapsed right in Obama's face as he tried to patch something together to keep it from being a ludicrous and embarrassing failure. But he couldn't. All those big shots and all those big expectations and the enviro's don't have dick to show for the great, big show. Doesn't exactly sound like a well-run conspiracy to me. In fact, what it sounds like is a political movement that's grinding to a halt and everyone who's hitched their wagon to the global warming pony is trying desperately to get one, last kick of life out of it.

By the way, the U.N. threw a party and no one came.

In 2010 the U.N. put on their annual Climate Change Conference in Cancun. Al Gore didn't go. Obama didn't go. No one went. It was for second and third-stringers only. That doesn't sound like the workings of a smoothly functioning conspiracy either. Matter of fact, what it sounds like is a political movement whose best days are behind it and job one right now is to obscure that fact.

I'm not going to bother with your other sovereignty-eroding treaties since I'm pretty sure that like the Kyoto Accords they're all DOA. I know the small arms treaty is as dead as Al Gore's chances of being elected president so unless any of them have passed the Senate they represent no more danger to American sovereignty then does an invasion by the Soviet Union.

The irony is that for all the mockery you've endured from some of the other forum members many of them don't really have a much better explanation for lefties, and the policies they pursue, then do you.

[The mighty wu]

The only time there was much chance of the Kyoto Accords passing the Senate was in 1993 and then it lost a straw poll so badly that Bill Clinton never introduced the treat for ratification. Since then have things gotten better for the Kyoto Accords or worse?

And if you choose to reply to that question keep in mind it's almost twenty years since the Kyoto Accords treaty wasn't ratified and when the leftiest president since FDR had the leftiest House and Senate the Kyoto Accords still weren't introduced for ratification. That ought to tell you something if you're not wedded to your desire to feel very insightful on little evidence.

But the evidence that the enviro-left is a collapsing force is even more compelling then the refusal to even introduce the Kyoto Accords to the Senate. Remember the Climate Summit in Copenhagen in 2000? Remember how that turned out?

It collapsed right in Obama's face as he tried to patch something together to keep it from being a ludicrous and embarrassing failure. But he couldn't. All those big shots and all those big expectations and the enviro's don't have dick to show for the great, big show. Doesn't exactly sound like a well-run conspiracy to me. In fact, what it sounds like is a political movement that's grinding to a halt and everyone who's hitched their wagon to the global warming pony is trying desperately to get one, last kick of life out of it.

By the way, the U.N. threw a party and no one came.

In 2010 the U.N. put on their annual Climate Change Conference in Cancun. Al Gore didn't go. Obama didn't go. No one went. It was for second and third-stringers only. That doesn't sound like the workings of a smoothly functioning conspiracy either. Matter of fact, what it sounds like is a political movement whose best days are behind it and job one right now is to obscure that fact.

I'm not going to bother with your other sovereignty-eroding treaties since I'm pretty sure that like the Kyoto Accords they're all DOA. I know the small arms treaty is as dead as Al Gore's chances of being elected president so unless any of them have passed the Senate they represent no more danger to American sovereignty then does an invasion by the Soviet Union.

The irony is that for all the mockery you've endured from some of the other forum members many of them don't really have a much better explanation for lefties, and the policies they pursue, then do you.

Excellent post, factual and spot on. That type of thinking and logic keeps me coming back here, though I disagree with the latter part of your closing paragraph.

[WoodBurner]

The only time there was much chance of the Kyoto Accords passing the Senate was in 1993 and then it lost a straw poll so badly that Bill Clinton never introduced the treat for ratification. Since then have things gotten better for the Kyoto Accords or worse?

And if you choose to reply to that question keep in mind it's almost twenty years since the Kyoto Accords treaty wasn't ratified and when the leftiest president since FDR had the leftiest House and Senate the Kyoto Accords still weren't introduced for ratification. That ought to tell you something if you're not wedded to your desire to feel very insightful on little evidence.

But the evidence that the enviro-left is a collapsing force is even more compelling then the refusal to even introduce the Kyoto Accords to the Senate. Remember the Climate Summit in Copenhagen in 2000? Remember how that turned out?

It collapsed right in Obama's face as he tried to patch something together to keep it from being a ludicrous and embarrassing failure. But he couldn't. All those big shots and all those big expectations and the enviro's don't have dick to show for the great, big show. Doesn't exactly sound like a well-run conspiracy to me. In fact, what it sounds like is a political movement that's grinding to a halt and everyone who's hitched their wagon to the global warming pony is trying desperately to get one, last kick of life out of it.

By the way, the U.N. threw a party and no one came.

In 2010 the U.N. put on their annual Climate Change Conference in Cancun. Al Gore didn't go. Obama didn't go. No one went. It was for second and third-stringers only. That doesn't sound like the workings of a smoothly functioning conspiracy either. Matter of fact, what it sounds like is a political movement whose best days are behind it and job one right now is to obscure that fact.

I'm not going to bother with your other sovereignty-eroding treaties since I'm pretty sure that like the Kyoto Accords they're all DOA. I know the small arms treaty is as dead as Al Gore's chances of being elected president so unless any of them have passed the Senate they represent no more danger to American sovereignty then does an invasion by the Soviet Union.

The irony is that for all the mockery you've endured from some of the other forum members many of them don't really have a much better explanation for lefties, and the policies they pursue, then do you.

  I would agree that the Kyoto Accord is and has been a lost cause for some time now however it could have been introduced if Obama and Congress hadn't been preoccupied with the Stimulus and Bamster Care bills. We'll never know for sure, I think they were looking for the bigger fish.

As for the annual Climate Change Conference after Climate Gate it's no wonder the first stringers didn't show or if they ever will again.

I'll say it one more time, I don't care for my presidential candidates palling around with Union Leaders and European Socialist types. Just call me a crazed tin hatter. ;)