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Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
« Reply #105 on: September 01, 2011, 09:14:51 AM »
Maybe, maybe not, the point was to show her that not everyone is buying into her conspiracy that there is some secret movement at hand by the Gov to give our sovereignty over to a faceless entity.

The "conspiracy" is not mine.  I do believe there is a (not so) secret movement at hand to control and influence our government.

The movement is not one of our government now, but as these secret entities use their power, money and other influences to decide who gets elected our future government could well eagerly give over our sovereignty to a One World Order.

Our salvation is not in the Oval Office, but in our House of Representatives and U.S. Senate.


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Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
« Reply #106 on: September 01, 2011, 10:15:55 AM »
The "conspiracy" is not mine.  I do believe there is a (not so) secret movement at hand to control and influence our government.

The movement is not one of our government now, but as these secret entities use their power, money and other influences to decide who gets elected our future government could well eagerly give over our sovereignty to a One World Order.


Our salvation is not in the Oval Office, but in our House of Representatives and U.S. Senate.
On this we agree, but it has been that way since our inception.
These not so secret entities have one option only, and that is the UN, but the UN requires our Gov to rewrite our Constitution for them to have authority over us.
And that's not going to happen.

I'm more concerned with the people that propped up Hussein and got him elected, they are the real threat in this Country.
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Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
« Reply #107 on: September 01, 2011, 02:26:14 PM »
On this we agree, but it has been that way since our inception.
These not so secret entities have one option only, and that is the UN, but the UN requires our Gov to rewrite our Constitution for them to have authority over us.
And that's not going to happen.

I'm more concerned with the people that propped up Hussein and got him elected, they are the real threat in this Country.

Yes it has been going on since our inception.  I have said it many times myself.  Before the ink was dry on those signatures on the Constitution of the United States forces were at work to dismantle it.

The forces continue and the protections are even being used against us; as in Sharia Law and illegal immigration.  We are soon to be outnumbered because 35%-40% of registered voters do not vote.  The main player in getting Hussein elected was George Soros.

Fortunately we have the Koch brothers on our side but they do not get the meedeeah attention Soros does because although they can purchase all the advertising they desire, they do not own the meedeeah outlets like the CFR does.

There are 69 members of the American Socialist Party in the U.S. House of Representatives, all elected as Democrats, and of course Barney Sanders in the Senate who admits who he is. (and keeps getting re elected  ::)

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=191605

That is quite a large voting block.  I have not found a report of how many may have been defeated in the 2010 elections.

Those secret societies do not just concentrate on getting the POTUS elected.  POTUS cannot impose much on us without the approval of the Senate.

Every other nation has adopted the Kyoto Protocol, except the United States and there is another convention coming up:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/indepth/2011-08/30/c_131084947.htm

I have not looked at L.O.S.T. for awhile and do not know where that stands.

The U.S. Senate has not ratified the Environmental Development agreement (AKA Agenda 21) signed by Bush 1  in Rio in 1992, but another convention called RIO+20 will be held next year.  No doubt Obama will sign it (or since he will be in campaign mode, send Biden to do it)

I do not know how long our current crop of Senators can stall a vote on ratification, but I am concerned.

Hillary Clinton has signed a small arms treaty with the U.N. we need to be concerned about the Senate ratifying.  Albeit, that treaty pertains to imports and exports but it would open the door to further attacks on our Second Amendment.

I do not want to get off topic, but there has long been an effort to rewrite our Constitution.  Mostly over the Electoral College.  In My Not So Humble Opinion, a Constitutional Convention is the last thing we need, especially in this climate.


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Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
« Reply #108 on: September 01, 2011, 02:39:51 PM »
The member nations of the U.N. and NATO are also members of the UPU (Universal Postal Union). So there's another area of commonality. Big deal. As "smoking gun" evidence of a massive, international conspiracy it leaves more then a little to be desired.

I was replying to you accusing me of lumping the U.N. and NATO together.  I guess I made my point because now you want to throw UPU into the mix.  They are not a Nation so they would not be members of NATO or the U.N.

Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

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Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
« Reply #109 on: September 01, 2011, 03:13:32 PM »
Yes it has been going on since our inception.  I have said it many times myself.  Before the ink was dry on those signatures on the Constitution of the United States forces were at work to dismantle it.

The forces continue and the protections are even being used against us; as in Sharia Law and illegal immigration.  We are soon to be outnumbered because 35%-40% of registered voters do not vote.  The main player in getting Hussein elected was George Soros.

Fortunately we have the Koch brothers on our side but they do not get the meedeeah attention Soros does because although they can purchase all the advertising they desire, they do not own the meedeeah outlets like the CFR does.

There are 69 members of the American Socialist Party in the U.S. House of Representatives, all elected as Democrats, and of course Barney Sanders in the Senate who admits who he is. (and keeps getting re elected  ::)

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=191605

That is quite a large voting block.  I have not found a report of how many may have been defeated in the 2010 elections.

Those secret societies do not just concentrate on getting the POTUS elected.  POTUS cannot impose much on us without the approval of the Senate.

Every other nation has adopted the Kyoto Protocol, except the United States and there is another convention coming up:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/indepth/2011-08/30/c_131084947.htm

I have not looked at L.O.S.T. for awhile and do not know where that stands.

The U.S. Senate has not ratified the Environmental Development agreement (AKA Agenda 21) signed by Bush 1  in Rio in 1992, but another convention called RIO+20 will be held next year.  No doubt Obama will sign it (or since he will be in campaign mode, send Biden to do it)

I do not know how long our current crop of Senators can stall a vote on ratification, but I am concerned.

Hillary Clinton has signed a small arms treaty with the U.N. we need to be concerned about the Senate ratifying.  Albeit, that treaty pertains to imports and exports but it would open the door to further attacks on our Second Amendment.

I do not want to get off topic, but there has long been an effort to rewrite our Constitution.  Mostly over the Electoral College.  In My Not So Humble Opinion, a Constitutional Convention is the last thing we need, especially in this climate.


This is why I said you need to step back and see the big picture.
You seem to be under the impression that our Constitution will be thrown out at any moment, because that is the only way all of what you claim, can possibly happen.

Stop hyper focusing on the little entities trying to circumvent our laws as if it is one big collective conspiracy.
We the voter still have the final say in this Country and the people are pissed, as you will see if you read what the Dims have discovered.
 http://nation.foxnews.com/tea-party/2011/08/04/liberal-pollsters-devastating-memo-obama-join-tea-party
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Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
« Reply #110 on: September 01, 2011, 03:25:56 PM »
Yeah, the American Socialist Party is a credible source of, well, pretty much nothing.

While it wouldn't surprise me that there might be a representative or two who is/was a member I wouldn't take the word of the organization on the time of day.

So it's not "quite a large voting bloc" unless there's a House of Representatives in the fevered imaginations of whoever puts out the newsletter of the American Socialist Party.

Also, not only hasn't every other nation adopted the Kyoto Accords those that did have abandoned it with the exception of Norway which has substantial natural gas and hydroelectric resources. Other then that every other signatory's abandoned even the pretense of abiding by their Kyoto Accords responsibilities and, you'll notice, enforcement action isn't under way.

And like I wrote up the thread, the Secretary of State or the president can sign what they want but if it isn't ratified in the Senate it's just toilet paper. If the lefties couldn't get that stuff through in Obama's first two years, and they didn't even bother to introduce any of those treaties into the Senate for discussion, they're sure as heck not going to get them through with the Senate's current composition.

As for your being concerned that something might sneak through, that's both proper and expected. The founders didn't put together a nation that guaranteed liberty but a nation that made it possible to maintain liberty. It's a high-maintenance proposition just due to perfectly ordinary human proclivities which, by the way, explain all the various problems we face.

We don't need any shadowy conspiracies to provide a basis for our problems. We're quite capable of creating problems for ourselves without the, I'm sure, able assistance of secret organizations of evil.

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Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
« Reply #111 on: September 02, 2011, 04:56:04 AM »
This is why I said you need to step back and see the big picture.
You seem to be under the impression that our Constitution will be thrown out at any moment, because that is the only way all of what you claim, can possibly happen.

Stop hyper focusing on the little entities trying to circumvent our laws as if it is one big collective conspiracy.
We the voter still have the final say in this Country and the people are pissed, as you will see if you read what the Dims have discovered.
 http://nation.foxnews.com/tea-party/2011/08/04/liberal-pollsters-devastating-memo-obama-join-tea-party

Now, Solar; I have not indicated that our Constitution "will be thrown out at any moment".  I have said efforts to dismantle it have been going on (in your words) "since its inception".  "looking at the big picture" is how some of us see what the "little entities" are doing behind the scenes.  It is those who believe we will always be protected by the Constitution and ignore the "little entities" and possibilities that worry me.

Too many of those voters will vote for the Liberal agenda of "helping the poor" without realizing the other things that will go with it and they will get the whole package.

Just as Obama warned us that (paraphrased) "electricity costs will necessarily skyrocket".

Lew Rockwell writes  In this futuristic world, literally everything you do is tightly monitored and controlled by control freak bureaucrats in the name of  "sustainable development" and with the goal of promoting "the green agenda".  An international ruling body has centralized global control over all human activity. 

What you eat,* what you drink, where you live, how warm or cold your home can be and how much fuel you can use is determined by them.  Anyone that dissents or that tries to rebel against the system is sent off for "re-education".**

The human population is 90 percent lower than it is today in this futuristic society, and all remaining humans have been herded into tightly constricted cities which are run much like prisons.  Does all of that sound good to you?  Well, this is what Agenda 21 is all about.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep2/al-gore-agenda-21-population-control.html


* Aren't they already doing that?

**(I am doubtful those sent for re education will return, and that thought will keep the remaining masses toeing the line)

I do not believe for a skinny minute the Democratic Party/Socialists are going to adopt a Tea Party/Conservative platform.  They may 'say' things along those lines to try; to keep from losing votes, but practicing what they say will not happen.

I remember well, the day after the 1994 General Election, when Bill Clinton hit the ground running on a Republican platform.



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Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
« Reply #112 on: September 02, 2011, 05:13:32 AM »
Yeah, the American Socialist Party is a credible source of, well, pretty much nothing.

While it wouldn't surprise me that there might be a representative or two who is/was a member I wouldn't take the word of the organization on the time of day.

So it's not "quite a large voting bloc" unless there's a House of Representatives in the fevered imaginations of whoever puts out the newsletter of the American Socialist Party.


Well.  The names are published.  Don't you think WND would have taken them down if there were any objections?


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Also, not only hasn't every other nation adopted the Kyoto Accords those that did have abandoned it with the exception of Norway which has substantial natural gas and hydroelectric resources. Other then that every other signatory's abandoned even the pretense of abiding by their Kyoto Accords responsibilities and, you'll notice, enforcement action isn't under way.[/quote]

Your sources? 


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And like I wrote up the thread, the Secretary of State or the president can sign what they want but if it isn't ratified in the Senate it's just toilet paper. If the lefties couldn't get that stuff through in Obama's first two years, and they didn't even bother to introduce any of those treaties into the Senate for discussion, they're sure as heck not going to get them through with the Senate's current composition.

I also said the United States is not bound by treaties the President makes without Senate approval.   I am hopeful the current composition of the Senate will improve further next year.

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As for your being concerned that something might sneak through, that's bot
h proper and expected. The founders didn't put together a nation that guaranteed liberty but a nation that made it possible to maintain liberty. It's a high-maintenance proposition just due to perfectly ordinary human proclivities which, by the way, explain all the various problems we face.

We don't need any shadowy conspiracies to provide a basis for our problems. We're quite capable of creating problems for ourselves without the, I'm sure, able assistance of secret organizations of evil.


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Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
« Reply #113 on: September 02, 2011, 05:38:59 AM »
Still banging on population control drum?

If the Chinese have had their fill of it, having come to know the reality of population control, what makes you think it'll take here in the U.S.? In fact, the whole idea's so "1980s" and other then among the most extreme environmentalists is liable to get you a puzzled, probably slightly alarmed, look if you bring it up.

The population control movement is dead in the U.S. and has been for quite a while. Even in those places where it got enacted into law it's losing its hold so it's done and if Lew Rockwell's still pounding the theme it's just an example of how out of touch he is.

You are right about the Democrats not adopting a Tea Party/Conservative platform any time soon but that's immaterial if they're losing elections and I'd maintain that the reason the Republicans lost the House, Senate and Presidency wasn't because they weren't far enough to the left but because they were too far to the left. Unfortunately, you can't vote directly for a policy but only for the people you hope will act on the policy so when the Republican's lost the faith of the American people the Democrats were there to enjoy the benefit.

Of course it only took two years of very distinctly left wing governance to remind everyone why even RINOs are preferable to real left-wingers. And as you pointed out, Bill Clinton, as soon as he was elected found success in "triangulation" which was the media's excuse for Clinton crapping on the lefties who voted for him. Say what you will about Clinton, and there's plenty to say, but as a political weather vane he has few equals and the wind, according to Clinton, was blowing towards the right.

What will happen/is happening is that the Democratic party is being driven to the right.

In swing districts Republicans are being elected because Republicans are perceived as inherently more conservative then Democrats. If a Democrat wants to be competitive in those areas they have to move in the direction the electorate dictates and that direction is to the right. So the successful Democrats will be successful by talking, and sooner or later acting, conservative.

In a district adjacent to mine there's a Democrat - Garry Peters - who's about as far to the left as Nancy Pelosi and got swept in on Obama's coattails. His district is actually pretty conservative and Peters has gone to considerable lengths to obscure his voting record. He's also gotten lucky in his Republican opponents. But in the mid-terms you would have thought he was a board member of the NRA and a small-government Republican.

He hung on but he's just a big, fat target for a real conservative. That's a real conservative Republican or Democrat. Peters knows it which is why he's trying as hard as possible to look like a conservative. You don't do that kind of thing without a reason and the reason is the public's not anywhere near as comfortable with left-wing ideas as we once were and we were never all that comfortable with left wing ideas.

So the Democrats won't embrace conservative ideas. They'll have conservative ideas thrust upon them. In fact, it's already happening.

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Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
« Reply #114 on: September 02, 2011, 06:37:23 AM »
Now, Solar; I have not indicated that our Constitution "will be thrown out at any moment".  I have said efforts to dismantle it have been going on (in your words) "since its inception".  "looking at the big picture" is how some of us see what the "little entities" are doing behind the scenes.  It is those who believe we will always be protected by the Constitution and ignore the "little entities" and possibilities that worry me.
For your scenario to occur, the Constitution cannot exist.

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Too many of those voters will vote for the Liberal agenda of "helping the poor" without realizing the other things that will go with it and they will get the whole package.

Just as Obama warned us that (paraphrased) "electricity costs will necessarily skyrocket".

Lew Rockwell writes  In this futuristic world, literally everything you do is tightly monitored and controlled by control freak bureaucrats in the name of  "sustainable development" and with the goal of promoting "the green agenda".  An international ruling body has centralized global control over all human activity. 

What you eat,* what you drink, where you live, how warm or cold your home can be and how much fuel you can use is determined by them.  Anyone that dissents or that tries to rebel against the system is sent off for "re-education".**

The human population is 90 percent lower than it is today in this futuristic society, and all remaining humans have been herded into tightly constricted cities which are run much like prisons.  Does all of that sound good to you?  Well, this is what Agenda 21 is all about.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep2/al-gore-agenda-21-population-control.html


* Aren't they already doing that?
Last time I looked, Al Gorbachev is a toxic entity and has been dropped as the spokesperson for all things Green.
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**(I am doubtful those sent for re education will return, and that thought will keep the remaining masses toeing the line)

I do not believe for a skinny minute the Democratic Party/Socialists are going to adopt a Tea Party/Conservative platform.  They may 'say' things along those lines to try; to keep from losing votes, but practicing what they say will not happen.

I remember well, the day after the 1994 General Election, when Bill Clinton hit the ground running on a Republican platform.
You totally missed the point of the article I posted.
The point is, his base is sick of being lied to and sick of a Gov that is not listening and expanding out of control.
Much of the base left for the Tea party.

Read it again.
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Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
« Reply #115 on: September 03, 2011, 07:41:38 PM »
For your scenario to occur, the Constitution cannot exist.


I know that.  I also know there are forces at work to dismantle and destroy that Constitution

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Last time I looked, Al Gorbachev is a toxic entity and has been dropped as the spokesperson for all things Green.You totally missed the point of the article I posted.
The point is, his base is sick of being lied to and sick of a Gov that is not listening and expanding out of control.
Much of the base left for the Tea party.

Read it again.

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The point is, his base is sick of being lied to and sick of a Gov that is not listening and expanding out of control.
Much of the base left for the Tea party.

Read it again.


I missed nothing.l.. including the title of the article

Liberal Pollster's Devastating Memo to Obama: Join the Tea Party


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Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
« Reply #116 on: September 03, 2011, 07:51:41 PM »

I know that.  I also know there are forces at work to dismantle and destroy that Constitution

Yes there is, it's called the Democratic party and their commie affiliates, but they are about to be kicked out of power for an entire generation.
Mark my word...
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Re: RICK PERRY The Bilderberg Approved Candidate
« Reply #117 on: September 04, 2011, 11:58:24 AM »

I agree the Democratic Party is at work to destroy the Constitution.  There are Democratic lawmakers hanging on for dear life that they can change the direction of their party from within back to what it once was.

Do you remember when Zel Miller resigned about 6 years ago?  I recall seeing an interview with Sean Hannity when Mr. Miller cried over leaving politics because of the direction the Party had taken, but he refused to change parties.

There is still a huge number of Democratic voters who believe nothing other that Democrats "help the poor people", and they will continue to vote for the Democratic candidate regardless of everything else the Party stands for.

I want to believe "they are about to be kicked out of power", and I am working very hard to help make that happen, but I still worry.

I worry because of the elder vote and the D-mantra that Republicans will take away their Social Security.

I worry because of the first time voters who are going to be promised a free college education.

I worry because of the segment of our population who depend on (or take advantage of) the social services.

And I worry because I also talk to a number of conservatives who believe it is too late to preserve the Constitution as it was written 224 years ago and have stopped voting.

Perhaps you are familiar with this essay.  The author has been disputed, but the words could not be more true, no matter who wrote them:

A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.  From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.


Agenda-21 (the U.N. goals for the 21st Century) IS real.  The goal is total government control with emphasis on the environment and "sustainable development".  They already know the Constitution of the United States stands in their way and are beginning to concentrate on taking over the small communities and destroy from the bottom up instead of the high level bureaucracies.

I.C.L.E.I (International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives) is the evil arm of the U.N. reaching into the small communities that few people are aware of. 

 

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