Obviously an Act of God :lol:
(more likely an Act of Allah)
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SOMEONE DID SOMETHING IN PARIS ON 4/15
Muslims fear repercussions.
https://www.grrrgraphics.com/the-bell-tolls-for-notre-dame-tina-toon/ (https://www.grrrgraphics.com/the-bell-tolls-for-notre-dame-tina-toon/)
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https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800
QuoteCATHOLIC CHURCHES ARE BEING DESECRATED ACROSS FRANCE—AND OFFICIALS DON'T KNOW WHY
I was outside most all day and I just heard about this a little while ago.
This old church went up awful fast for something that was an "accident", my guess would be a accelerant of some type. All kids of bulchit from the usual sources about "related to the restoration". Who is on the work crew? (you got one of them called Akmed or Raheem?) or who was inside the building posing as one?
I made a meme...
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Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 15, 2019, 04:59:53 PM
I was outside most all day and I just heard about this a little while ago.
This old church went up awful fast for something that was an "accident", my guess would be a accelerant of some type. All kids of bulchit from the usual sources about "related to the restoration". Who is on the work crew? (you got one of them called Akmed or Raheem?) or who was inside the building posing as one?
It wouldn't take much since there is so much old wood in there.
A little perspective.
Ground for Notre-Dame was broken in 1163 some 850 years ago.
The initial structure was of wood cut from the Forests of Champagne
and was a very large part of what has burned. Brick and stone
masonry came later, over the centuries.
Additionally, to avoid water damage to the interior, the roof was of lead.
Consequently the heat at the upper levels of the Cathedral had to be
staggering in summertime, inviting a fire.
Given that the renovation crews began work in the attics, it is virtually
certain that their action/inaction caused this fire.
Further, the Cathedral while severely damaged, is not destroyed and
remains structurally sound.
Quote from: taxed on April 15, 2019, 04:48:38 PM
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Either he is a Muslim, and needs to be locked up. Or, he is an arsonist, and he needs to be locked up.
Quote from: Walter Josh on April 15, 2019, 09:06:33 PM
A little perspective.
Ground for Notre-Dame was broken in 1163 some 850 years ago.
The initial structure was of wood cut from the Forests of Champagne
and was a very large part of what has burned. Brick and stone
masonry came later, over the centuries.
Additionally, to avoid water damage to the interior, the roof was of lead.
Consequently the heat at the upper levels of the Cathedral had to be
staggering in summertime, inviting a fire.
Given that the renovation crews began work in the attics, it is virtually
certain that their action/inaction caused this fire.
Further, the Cathedral while severely damaged, is not destroyed and
remains structurally sound.
Thats the official version and there is a rider that says it is not Terrorism or Arson...I repeat....Bullshit, at this point the investigation has
not even begun how can anyone make such a claim?
The French were saying this as the structure was still on fire & That sounds like people very anxious to not piss off the Muslims that are the prime suspects or perhaps wishful thinking.
The fire Marhsall or experts can't conduct a thorough investigation until the flames are out and the charred area of origin cooled & of course thorough interview of all workmen/occupants
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 15, 2019, 04:59:53 PM
I was outside most all day and I just heard about this a little while ago.
This old church went up awful fast for something that was an "accident", my guess would be a accelerant of some type. All kids of bulchit from the usual sources about "related to the restoration". Who is on the work crew? (you got one of them called Akmed or Raheem?) or who was inside the building posing as one?
According to the French media there was NO construction worker on site.
French Media confirms there were no construction workers at the time of the fire at the cathédrale Notre-Dame de #Paris. #NotreDame #France. Also the church was also closed at the time of the fire. So nothing was going on the church.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/04/developing-french-media-confirms-there-were-no-construction-workers-at-notre-dame-cathedral-at-time-of-fire/
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 16, 2019, 03:08:50 AM
Thats the official version and there is a rider that says it is not Terrorism or Arson...I repeat....Bullshit, at this point the investigation has
not even begun how can anyone make such a claim? The French were saying this as the structure was still on fire & That sounds like people very anxious to not piss off the Muslims that are the prime suspects or perhaps wishful thinking.
The fire Marhsall or experts can't conduct a thorough investigation until the flames are out and the charred area of origin cooled & of course thorough interview of all workmen/occupants
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No interest in an infantile urinary contest, so we'll end here.
For the record, my information came from the Britannica as well as
a Dominican Nun cousin who works in the Vatican Press Office and
w/whom I communicate regularly.
Certainly, the fire 'might' have been set by space aliens from Planet Narnia
but I'll put my money on careless work crews dealing w/900 year old
bone dry oak!!!
Quote from: Walter Josh on April 16, 2019, 10:20:51 AM
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No interest in an infantile urinary contest, so we'll end here.
For the record, my information came from the Britannica as well as
a Dominican Nun cousin who works in the Vatican Press Office and
w/whom I communicate regularly.
Certainly, the fire 'might' have been set by space aliens from Planet Narnia
but I'll put my money on careless work crews dealing w/900 year old oak!!!
Quick search shows those space aliens from planet Narnia vandalized closes to 900 churches in france last year.
Quote from: s3779m on April 16, 2019, 10:30:36 AM
Quick search shows those space aliens from planet Narnia vandalized closes to 900 churches in france last year.
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Fair retort.
Quote from: Walter Josh on April 15, 2019, 09:06:33 PM
A little perspective.
Ground for Notre-Dame was broken in 1163 some 850 years ago.
The initial structure was of wood cut from the Forests of Champagne
and was a very large part of what has burned. Brick and stone
masonry came later, over the centuries.
Additionally, to avoid water damage to the interior, the roof was of lead.
Consequently the heat at the upper levels of the Cathedral had to be
staggering in summertime, inviting a fire.
Given that the renovation crews began work in the attics, it is virtually
certain that their action/inaction caused this fire.
Further, the Cathedral while severely damaged, is not destroyed and
remains structurally sound.
Walter, I sincerely hope that this turns out to be right. When 9-11 occurred here in America, there were Muslims gleefully dancing in the streets, and we can clearly see the pictures of similar rejoicing in France, so it's hard not to speculate, PARTICULARLY given two realities:
1. There have been around a dozen other historic French churches recently burned or vandalized--statues of Jesus have even had one of their arms chopped off and reformulated into an obscene gesture--and of all coincidences, this is Easter week, AND, 2. before this fire was even out, they were already IMMEDIATELY declaring that there was no terrorism or arson--and even the French people aren't buying it. There is absolutely no way that they could make such a proclamation about this on such short notice--it's just ludicrous.
So I really do hope you're right--but it's sort of like this: if you lived in a nice neighborhood where you never had to lock your doors, then a couple of scuzzy families with a passel of hoodlums moved in and your homes starting getting vandalized, what are you going to assume if you come home and find your windows broken out? Going to assume that it was a fluke or a freak accident? See, that's sort of the position we're in trying to blame careless construction workers--I'll try to keep an open mind, but the jury is going to be out on this until we learn more--REALLY learn more--and find out what actually happened.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on April 15, 2019, 09:14:09 PM
Either he is a Muslim, and needs to be locked up. Or, he is an arsonist, and he needs to be locked up.
Macron wants to REBUILD ?
Ok, let me suggest
"someone" enters the Louvre with a can of Gasoline, and does
"something" to the Mona Lisa, reducing it to ashes.
The next day Macron says not to worry, we have just picked up a Canvas, and we hired a real good Artist, and he will paint it again.
Quote from: Serveto on April 16, 2019, 11:04:46 AM
Walter, I sincerely hope that this turns out to be right. When 9-11 occurred here in America, there were Muslims gleefully dancing in the streets, and we can clearly see the pictures of similar rejoicing in France, so it's hard not to speculate, PARTICULARLY given two realities:
1. There have been around a dozen other historic French churches recently burned or vandalized--statues of Jesus have even had one of their arms chopped off and reformulated into an obscene gesture--and of all coincidences, this is Easter week, AND, 2. before this fire was even out, they were already IMMEDIATELY declaring that there was no terrorism or arson--and even the French people aren't buying it. There is absolutely no way that they could make such a proclamation about this on such short notice--it's just ludicrous.
So I really do hope you're right--but it's sort of like this: if you lived in a nice neighborhood where you never had to lock your doors, then a couple of scuzzy families with a passel of hoodlums moved in and your homes starting getting vandalized, what are you going to assume if you come home and find your windows broken out? Going to assume that it was a fluke or a freak accident? See, that's sort of the position we're in trying to blame careless construction workers--I'll try to keep an open mind, but the jury is going to be out on this until we learn more--REALLY learn more--and find out what actually happened.
Any attempt to rebuild, IMHO, is blasphemy.
If the "Crown of Thorns" had burned, were they just going to go into a local park and weave another one ?
Conserve what is left, sure. Even put up a new roof to preserve its use as a CHURCH.
But use any spare Euros to deport those responsible. ALL OF THEM.
Not trying to start any urinary contests, merely pointing out the stupidity of whatever officials or cabal of officials that immediately said it wasn't terrorism or arson TOO SOON without knowing all the fatcs which won't be known until physical examination by an arson specialist....IE long after the fire is over. But as a trained investigator with years and years of expertise under my belt and seen a torch job or two I realize why a PC beaucratic buffoon would make such a statement without knowing his ass from third base, hoping against hope that it wasn't our non ham eating, wipe your ass with sand in your left hand only friends from a giant cat litter box country who were so gleefully observing the raging fire as the photos show and apparently made some sort of threat to do same just days earlier...dont look for such examples on Cnn or any other Propaganda outlets and pay absolutely no attention to other fires in CHurchs recently....if Saint Peters goes up like a rocket Im sure those Aliens from Narnia are behind it.
And if there were no construction workers present According to the Dominican Sister then how can the fire be attributed to careless workmen?
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 16, 2019, 02:15:11 PM
Not trying to start any urinary contests, merely pointing out the stupidity of whatever officials or cabal of officials that immediately said it wasn't terrorism or arson TOO SOON without knowing all the fatcs which won't be known until physical examination by an arson specialist....IE long after the fire is over. But as a trained investigator with years and years of expertise under my belt and seen a torch job or two I realize why a PC beaucratic buffoon would make such a statement without knowing his ass from third base, hoping against hope that it wasn't our non ham eating, wipe your ass with sand in your left hand only friends from a giant cat litter box country who were so gleefully observing the raging fire as the photos show and apparently made some sort of threat to do same just days earlier...dont look for such examples on Cnn or any other Propaganda outlets and pay absolutely no attention to other fires in CHurchs recently....if Saint Peters goes up like a rocket Im sure those Aliens from Narnia are behind it.
And if there were no construction workers present According to the Dominican Sister then how can the fire be attributed to careless workmen?
Rush Limbaugh was excellent today, pointing out that the LYING MEDIA is coming to every conclusion - but the OBVIOUS ONE.
Has there been any official conclusion that this was an accident?
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on April 17, 2019, 04:09:39 PM
Has there been any official conclusion that this was an accident?
Well, this video probably won't help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=40&v=EgfYYMjpf1s
Quote from: Hoofer on April 17, 2019, 04:36:30 PM
Well, this video probably won't help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=40&v=EgfYYMjpf1s
I would have thought they would have used one of those toy drones
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 17, 2019, 06:19:37 PM
I would have thought they would have used one of those toy drones
Not a bad suggestion!
Except that I believe the presence of scaffolding was no coincidence, and made it very easy for the arsonist to climb up and set the fire.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 17, 2019, 06:19:37 PM
I would have thought they would have used one of those toy drones
I had the same thought.
My gut says arson, but this wood might as well have been soaked in gasoline it was so dried out. It's just as likely an accident caused by some doofus worker. It wouldn't be the first time a renovation project caught fire.
That said, the authorities decided way too quickly that this was an accident, hell, there have been hundreds of church burning's and vandalization's all over France, so it's not like this is anything new.
99.9% of political violence comes from the left.
White leftist college professor Marc Lamparello was arrested with gasoline, lighter fluid and lighters outside of St. Patrick's Cathedral in Manhattan.
Marc Lamparello has been identified as the 37-year-old man who was arrested by NYPD Counterterrorism officers after walking into the historic St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City with two gasoline cans just days after a fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Lamparello was taken into custody without incident at the seat of the Catholic Archdiocese of New York in midtown Manhattan Wednesday night, NBC New York reports.
~snip~
https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/marc-lamparello/
The day before the fire...
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ONE OF THREE women allegedly involved in a foiled plot in 2016 to blow up a car packed with gas canisters near the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris was today sentenced to eight years in prison by a French court for earlier offences.
Ines Madani, 22, was sentenced following a three-day trial during which she was accused of encouraging would-be jihadists to go to Syria and participate in attacks against France between March 2015 and June 2016.
She used Telegram – an encrypted messaging app widely used by jihadists to communicate.
Judge Isabelle Prevost-Desprez said that Madani was "recruited" by Oumar Diaw, also known as Abou Barrou, an influential jihadist of the Islamic State group.
She used different pseudonyms on social networks, pretending for example to be Abu Souleymane, a jihadist returned from Raqa to carry out attacks in France.
"You had some autonomy in the management of your personality.... Your determination marks your dangerousness," Prevost-Desprez said.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/04/breaking-on-friday-female-jihadi-jailed-over-attempted-car-bombing-outside-notre-dame-cathedral/
Quote from: Solar on April 18, 2019, 02:39:32 PM
The day before the fire...
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ONE OF THREE women allegedly involved in a foiled plot in 2016 to blow up a car packed with gas canisters near the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris was today sentenced to eight years in prison by a French court for earlier offences.
Ines Madani, 22, was sentenced following a three-day trial during which she was accused of encouraging would-be jihadists to go to Syria and participate in attacks against France between March 2015 and June 2016.
She used Telegram – an encrypted messaging app widely used by jihadists to communicate.
Judge Isabelle Prevost-Desprez said that Madani was "recruited" by Oumar Diaw, also known as Abou Barrou, an influential jihadist of the Islamic State group.
She used different pseudonyms on social networks, pretending for example to be Abu Souleymane, a jihadist returned from Raqa to carry out attacks in France.
"You had some autonomy in the management of your personality.... Your determination marks your dangerousness," Prevost-Desprez said.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/04/breaking-on-friday-female-jihadi-jailed-over-attempted-car-bombing-outside-notre-dame-cathedral/
It has been suggested by others that this fire was an
OPERATION CHANGE THE SUBJECT orchestrated by Macron.
At first I thought this absurd.
Now I'm not so sure.
The fire apparently started On the roof, the hardest most inaccessible place for the Fire Dept to get water to because of the height of the building and the limitation of the fire equipment....if I were going to start a fire.......
Regarding the Notre-Dame fire, not intending to rain on the parade of the
arson mongers, yet thought it might be appropriate to share information
published this afternoon in La Parisienne/Paris (French only).
A preliminary assessment, indicates that the fire was caused by extensive
short circuity malfunctions in the attic wiring.
The Cathedral roof had been reinforced w/lead over centuries and Spring
weather in Paris has been above normal, approaching 45C equivalent to 113F.
Additionally the support beams are of 900 year old bone-dry Oak, and you
have the ingredients for a rapidly cascading cauldron.
Quote from: Walter Josh on April 18, 2019, 07:16:56 PM
Regarding the Notre-Dame fire, not intending to rain on the parade of the
arson mongers, yet thought it might be appropriate to share information
published this afternoon in La Parisienne/Paris (French only).
A preliminary assessment, indicates that the fire was caused by extensive
short circuity malfunctions in the attic wiring.
The Cathedral roof had been reinforced w/lead over centuries and Spring
weather in Paris has been above normal, approaching 45C equivalent to 113F.
Additionally the support beams are of 900 year old bone-dry Oak, and you
have the ingredients for a rapidly cascading cauldron.
I dont buy it. They were saying accident while it still burned. If all this about being ready to go up in smoke is true then it's been true for 100+ years, so why now of all times, at Easter, with all these other church burnings, while muslims are taking over france.
Quote from: Walter Josh on April 18, 2019, 07:16:56 PM
Regarding the Notre-Dame fire, not intending to rain on the parade of the
arson mongers, yet thought it might be appropriate to share information
published this afternoon in La Parisienne/Paris (French only).
A preliminary assessment, indicates that the fire was caused by extensive
short circuity malfunctions in the attic wiring.
The Cathedral roof had been reinforced w/lead over centuries and Spring
weather in Paris has been above normal, approaching 45C equivalent to 113F.
Additionally the support beams are of 900 year old bone-dry Oak, and you
have the ingredients for a rapidly cascading cauldron.
So now we're arson mongers....makes me wonder why you are being so obstinate and closed minded. You really beleive the French?
Investigators in Paris said Thursday they believe an electrical short-circuit is most likely the cause behind the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral.
The French judicial police official, who spoke anonymously about the ongoing probe, said investigators still don't have the go-ahead to search the rubble or work in the cathedral because of safety concerns.
MACRON VOWS TO REBUILD NOTRE DAME IN 5 YEARS, AS DRAMATIC FOOTAGE OF FIREFIGHTERS IS RELEASED
Although authorities consider the fire an accident, possibly as a result of restoration work at the global architectural treasure that survived almost 900 years of French history, Paris prosecutor Remy Heitz said earlier this week that the inquiry into what caused the fire would be "long and complex."
Some 50 investigators are actively working the case and are expected to interview workers from five companies hired for the renovations to the cathedral's roof, where the flames first broke out.
How can an investigator come to a conclusion without being able to search rubble and gather evidence? Unless of course somebody is channeling the amazing Kreskin
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 19, 2019, 02:33:24 PM
So now we're arson mongers....makes me wonder why you are being so obstinate and closed minded. You really beleive the French?
Investigators in Paris said Thursday they believe an electrical short-circuit is most likely the cause behind the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral.
The French judicial police official, who spoke anonymously about the ongoing probe, said investigators still don't have the go-ahead to search the rubble or work in the cathedral because of safety concerns.
MACRON VOWS TO REBUILD NOTRE DAME IN 5 YEARS, AS DRAMATIC FOOTAGE OF FIREFIGHTERS IS RELEASED
Although authorities consider the fire an accident, possibly as a result of restoration work at the global architectural treasure that survived almost 900 years of French history, Paris prosecutor Remy Heitz said earlier this week that the inquiry into what caused the fire would be "long and complex."
Some 50 investigators are actively working the case and are expected to interview workers from five companies hired for the renovations to the cathedral's roof, where the flames first broke out.
How can an investigator come to a conclusion without being able to search rubble and gather evidence? Unless of course somebody is channeling the amazing Kreskin
"The French judicial police official, who spoke
anonymously " How CONvenient...
As an electrician, I find this claim to be beyond ludicrous. But for them to even assert such a claim so early in the investigation screams "COVER UP!"
Quote from: Solar on April 19, 2019, 02:41:14 PM
"The French judicial police official, who spoke anonymously " How CONvenient...
As an electrician, I find this claim to be beyond ludicrous. But for them to even assert such a claim so early in the investigation screams "COVER UP!"
I think they realize what will happen should a Jihadi suspect (s) emerge, it will be the spark that sets a backlash against the islamic invaders.
I heard a theory the other day as well, this is from a guy who hates the catholic Church, he says that Church officials started the fire because the resotration process was too costly ad taking too long, so burn it all down ad start a fresh, and of course the sympathy donations that would follow would be a nice cash cow
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 19, 2019, 03:04:18 PM
I think they realize what will happen should a Jihadi suspect (s) emerge, it will be the spark that sets a backlash against the islamic invaders.
I heard a theory the other day as well, this is from a guy who hates the catholic Church, he says that Church officials started the fire because the resotration process was too costly ad taking too long, so burn it all down ad start a fresh, and of course the sympathy donations that would follow would be a nice cash cow
Yeah, I pass nothing to chance where Marxists are involved, and the church is now run by Marxists, oddly enough, aligning with the Muscums that enter the country.
Is there no low these people will go when it comes to power?
Whatever the cause, it was definitely arson, and we may never know the truth of who was behind it. But with 900 church vandalism's for the year, it would definitely make for good cover.
I visited Notre Dame Cathedral in 1974, it was pretty amazing. :thumbup:
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 18, 2019, 04:30:25 PM
The fire apparently started On the roof, the hardest most inaccessible place for the Fire Dept to get water to because of the height of the building and the limitation of the fire equipment....if I were going to start a fire.......
https://youtu.be/FMwtmvrzK1g (https://youtu.be/FMwtmvrzK1g)
Quote from: Rotwang on April 19, 2019, 04:47:48 PM
https://youtu.be/FMwtmvrzK1g (https://youtu.be/FMwtmvrzK1g)
Good find! Your link was bad, here's the real one/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMwtmvrzK1g
Quote from: Solar on April 19, 2019, 05:11:41 PM
Good find! Your link was bad, here's the real one/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMwtmvrzK1g
Pretty damning if it is authentic as to time and date.
We consistently hear that London has more cameras than any other locale on earth (tho it seems to do little to stop muslim crime sprees).
I'd expect Paris to be the same.
And although I would expect that doctoring a video to show a person on Notre Dame's roof would not be difficult, obtaining any pics from this high angle would seem to be unlikely for a tourist to obtain.
Where could a video like this be shot from ?
Are there skyscrapers nearby ?