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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2014, 03:50:35 PM »
What gives you the idea the plane even went down?
They were receiving telemetry data via satellite of the Plane's positions. It's last transmission was far over the Indian Ocean. It had been flying for 8-9 hours by the point, and would have been too low on fuel to reach land.

Whatever happened to the plane, it did crash, it's not equipped for mid-air refueling.
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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2014, 05:32:04 PM »
Because they had lost contact, it disappeared off radar screens only an hour after takeoff. Some eyewitness reports claimed to have seen it land, but by the time authorities had arrived, no plane could be found.

A well planned theft will always leave more questions than answers.
But ask yourself, why continue to fly if you planned on crashing in the first place?
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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2014, 05:44:06 PM »
Because they had lost contact, it disappeared off radar screens only an hour after takeoff. Some eyewitness reports claimed to have seen it land, but by the time authorities had arrived, no plane could be found.

A well planned theft will always leave more questions than answers.
But ask yourself, why continue to fly if you planned on crashing in the first place?

Back in the earliest days of aircraft carrier operations, there was no way to capture an incoming plane on flight decks, so the pilots landed in the water and the aircraft was then hauled aboard. Granted, in this case it would mean a huge ship to house that aircraft...or several to house its pieces...but it's still just barely possible.

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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2014, 06:03:53 PM »
Back in the earliest days of aircraft carrier operations, there was no way to capture an incoming plane on flight decks, so the pilots landed in the water and the aircraft was then hauled aboard. Granted, in this case it would mean a huge ship to house that aircraft...or several to house its pieces...but it's still just barely possible.
That's the thing, they can't even agree on the radar being correct this many months out.
Hell, how do they even know for certain the pings were accurate?
Now they're claiming the radar was wrong.

So is Malaysia covering up, or is it the US, or both?

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysian-military-radar-data-on-mh370-wrong-says-report
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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2014, 06:04:31 PM »
Because they had lost contact, it disappeared off radar screens only an hour after takeoff.
Losing radar contact isn't unusual, again, Class G airspace, middle of the ocean.

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Some eyewitness reports claimed to have seen it land,
Eye-witnesses can be loopy, there were plenty from 9/11 claiming the planes went in certain directions it didn't, called them cargo planes when they weren't, cited one of the aircraft landing in Ohio when that was another plane altogether. Delta 1989.

You have to be familiar with airline crashes to know what to expect, and what to control for. To know if what seems strange, truly is.

People thought it was unusual that IDs survived from the planes that crashed into the Towers, they were wrong.

They thought it was unusual for the hole the plane left in side of the pentagon was smaller than the plane itself, they were wrong.

They thought it impossible that these planes could have exceeded Va and Vo speed without breaking up, they were wrong.

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A well planned theft will always leave more questions than answers.
So will a crash of a 3rd world airliner, from a country with a poorly developed search & rescue capability, and a scant air traffic apparatus.

Corruption and ineptitude are widespread in the Malaysian Government, it surprises me little that this crash caught them with their pants down.

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But ask yourself, why continue to fly if you planned on crashing in the first place?

The plane was on autopilot, the pilots likely having lost consciousnesses from Hypoxia. This has happened before.

If you're at 30,000 ft and you spring a leak in your pressurization, you have about 7 seconds of useful consciousness before you lose virtually all of your higher-thinking faculties. It's downhill from there.
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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2014, 05:43:26 AM »
Losing radar contact isn't unusual, again, Class G airspace, middle of the ocean.
Eye-witnesses can be loopy, there were plenty from 9/11 claiming the planes went in certain directions it didn't, called them cargo planes when they weren't, cited one of the aircraft landing in Ohio when that was another plane altogether. Delta 1989.

You have to be familiar with airline crashes to know what to expect, and what to control for. To know if what seems strange, truly is.

People thought it was unusual that IDs survived from the planes that crashed into the Towers, they were wrong.

They thought it was unusual for the hole the plane left in side of the pentagon was smaller than the plane itself, they were wrong.

They thought it impossible that these planes could have exceeded Va and Vo speed without breaking up, they were wrong.
So will a crash of a 3rd world airliner, from a country with a poorly developed search & rescue capability, and a scant air traffic apparatus.

Corruption and ineptitude are widespread in the Malaysian Government, it surprises me little that this crash caught them with their pants down.

The plane was on autopilot, the pilots likely having lost consciousnesses from Hypoxia. This has happened before.

If you're at 30,000 ft and you spring a leak in your pressurization, you have about 7 seconds of useful consciousness before you lose virtually all of your higher-thinking faculties. It's downhill from there.
Still, with no answers or evidence to prove the theory, you believe the story you've been given by the govt.
Why is that, why is it you're so willing to trust a govt that's proven on more than one occasion it's willingness towards deception?
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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2014, 09:18:06 PM »
Still, with no answers or evidence to prove the theory, you believe the story you've been given by the govt.
No, the Australian NTSB equivalent has the evidence, the satellite signals. Not to mention the satellite images of it heading south several hours into the flight.

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Why is that, why is it you're so willing to trust a govt that's proven on more than one occasion it's willingness towards deception?
Because again, Australians.
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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2014, 06:07:46 AM »
No, the Australian NTSB equivalent has the evidence, the satellite signals. Not to mention the satellite images of it heading south several hours into the flight.
Because again, Australians.
Yet again, you prove to be a gullible fool willing to trust Govt.
You do know what that makes you, right?

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The latest revelation comes after News Corp Australia last week revealed that underwater scientists have labelled the search for MH370 a “debacle” and say Prime Minister Tony Abbott was playing politics when he prematurely announced the black box pingers had been found.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/families-outraged-as-search-ends-in-ping-zone-after-us-navy-says-signals-were-not-from-mh370/story-fnizu68q-1226935425606

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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2014, 07:14:14 AM »
Yet again, you prove to be a gullible fool willing to trust Govt.
Then I guess it's a good thing the satellite data comes from a British company.

If you have evidence to accuse this, then fine, but list it and quit with the charade.

BTW, your "conspiracy" to hide the "truth" now includes at least 4 nations, their Air Transportation Agencies, the airline, and this company. At some point, you're assumptions will crack under their weight.
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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2014, 07:27:06 AM »
Then I guess it's a good thing the satellite data comes from a British company.

If you have evidence to accuse this, then fine, but list it and quit with the charade.
And you consider that a rebuttal, then link to a membership page, yet claim I'm the one playing games?
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BTW, your "conspiracy" to hide the "truth" now includes at least 4 nations, their Air Transportation Agencies, the airline, and this company. At some point, you're assumptions will crack under their weight.
Son, your willingness to believe everything you read that supports your views, is nothing short of delusional and simply frightening, to think the next generation is as freakin fleeceable as you.
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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2014, 08:06:10 AM »
And you consider that a rebuttal, then link to a membership page,

Curious, I'm not getting that:



And I don't pay a red cent to the Telegraph.

Try this one then.

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Son, your willingness to believe everything you read
Prove that they're lying then.

You have presented nothing to show why either the Brits here, or the Aussies would be, and considering they would have nothing to gain in all of this, and everything to lose if they were caught, I have serious doubts to say the least.

Indeed, this is pitfall for why most 9/11 conspiracies fall apart: they don't consider that their premise demands treason by the ATC, the Northeastern branch of NORAD, and the pilots in the air. 100s of people, all duplicit in the act. You're charging the same thing.

 

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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2014, 08:49:25 AM »
Curious, I'm not getting that:



And I don't pay a red cent to the Telegraph.

Try this one then.
Prove that they're lying then.

You have presented nothing to show why either the Brits here, or the Aussies would be, and considering they would have nothing to gain in all of this, and everything to lose if they were caught, I have serious doubts to say the least.

Indeed, this is pitfall for why most 9/11 conspiracies fall apart: they don't consider that their premise demands treason by the ATC, the Northeastern branch of NORAD, and the pilots in the air. 100s of people, all duplicit in the act. You're charging the same thing.
This has nothing to do with conspiracy, rather your need to run block for government failures.
Did they find it? Nope, which leaves open the possibility that it never actually crashed.
Prove it did crash and I'll accept the fact I'm wrong, or simply prove me wrong, which you can't, but quit covering for inept govt, it's sooo liberal of you.


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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2014, 09:11:42 PM »
This has nothing to do with conspiracy, rather your need to run block for government failures.
Did they find it? Nope, which leaves open the possibility that it never actually crashed.
Sure, if you can locate an island in the area large enough for them to land on, in the vicinity of where the last satellite signals places it.

At near empty weight plus passengers and baggage, a 777-200ER would need about +4,000 feet runway space at sea level on a dry surface. If not dry, add about another 1,000 feet.

Good luck.

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Prove it did crash and I'll accept the fact I'm wrong, or simply prove me wrong, which you can't, but quit covering for inept govt, it's sooo liberal of you.
I never said I trusted the Malaysians, I said I trusted industry professionals.

The difference here btw, is separating ineptitude, which is the cause of most cover ups, from intent. You have tried strongly to conflate the two, implying they're both dumb and duplicit in the crash. Unfortunately, years of sifting through 9/11 truthers claiming same makes the tells all too easy to see.

9/11 happened because our government at the time was shitfaced, not in the know. It's the same here.
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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2014, 05:06:12 AM »
Sure, if you can locate an island in the area large enough for them to land on, in the vicinity of where the last satellite signals places it.

At near empty weight plus passengers and baggage, a 777-200ER would need about +4,000 feet runway space at sea level on a dry surface. If not dry, add about another 1,000 feet.

Good luck.
I never said I trusted the Malaysians, I said I trusted industry professionals.

The difference here btw, is separating ineptitude, which is the cause of most cover ups, from intent. You have tried strongly to conflate the two, implying they're both dumb and duplicit in the crash. Unfortunately, years of sifting through 9/11 truthers claiming same makes the tells all too easy to see.

9/11 happened because our government at the time was shitfaced, not in the know. It's the same here.

This has nothing to do with 911, quit moving the goal posts.
So if we were to go with your hypothesis that it crashed, then I'm certain you can provide evidence of wreckage, right?
That should be easy enough, I mean after all, you seem t have "faith" in these supposed professionals, people that wouldn't lie under any circumstances, right?

Otherwise, the only other possibility is theft when one looks at motive,, a lack of claim for it's disappearance, no radical group claimed to have brought it down, so motive is removed from the equation.
But gee, you have soo much faith that it crashed, so simply provide proof.

Let me give you something to chew on. You're one of these supposed professionals, and this happens on your watch, a special agent comes in and explains the situation as a theft, all passengers are dead, and we need too track the plane so we can catch everyone involved.
You realize what they are telling you is true, because you saw the flight climb to a level that would kill all the passengers if the cabin pressure were interrupted and no oxygen was in the masks as they deployed.

So whats more patriotic, telling the world that a plane was stolen and that we're all in serious danger, or keep your mouth shut and let the experts do their job in surveillance and catch all the perpetrators?

I think the answer is obvious, you follow the narrative you've been given and do what you believe to be the right thing for all.

This really isn't conspiracy stuff, this happens in law enforcement on a daily basis around the world.
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Re: Malaysia Flight Theory
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2014, 11:52:19 AM »

This has nothing to do with 911, quit moving the goal posts.
So if we were to go with your hypothesis that it crashed,
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Based on the time and locations of the satellite signals, and the amount of fuel that would have been remaining by that time.

The links I gave you both lists the data, and the methodology, review them if you want.


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This really isn't conspiracy stuff, this happens in law enforcement on a daily basis around the world.
Sorry, but ransoms are old hat in the aviation world. There'd be no reason to hide it, and there never has been.

Oh, and not to mention, satellite signals. Occurs razor is used investigations as well, and before you dip into crazy, you need to disprove the more plausible scenario.
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