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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2013, 07:42:02 AM »
Why haven't you found a good reason to support America?

This question makes no sense whatsoever.  Where are those WMDs?

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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2013, 07:44:58 AM »
So you admit that your 2012 election predictions were based on your gut rather than the math?

Perhaps you'd care to point out the flaws in methodology and where these studies err, rather than just vaguely dismissing them as "nonsense"?

You know, you once claimed that gases weren't significantly affected by gravity; who the hell are you to accuse others of ignorance of "real research"?
Dumb ass, helium counteracts gravity.
Using my comments out of context will quickly get your ass banned, get it?

http://www.wimp.com/heliumdefies/
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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2013, 07:56:43 AM »
This question makes no sense whatsoever.  Where are those WMDs?

Of course you have no idea what anyone was talking about if you're ever asked to say something good about America. That's who leftists are, the children in need of fresh diapers and a hard slap on the butt when they start bawling.

What do you SUPPORT about America, that does not involve stealing other people's money for the crackpot causes you espouse?

You mean the WMDs we all knew Saddam put into Syria to play games with Hans Blix and that twice-convicted sex pervert that was working for him? Scott something, I think it was. Lovely people. Led by the nose while the real weapons went off-site.

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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2013, 08:11:54 AM »
Dumb ass, helium counteracts gravity.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Helium only appears to defy gravity when it's a super-fluid, not when it is a gas (which your own video makes clear).  That is, when it is just barely above absolute zero in specific conditions not known to be found at all in nature.  And even then, it doesn't literally counteract what is currently defined as the curvature in space-time.

You tried to use helium as an example (specifically as a gas) to prove that "turning gravity" off would not cause objects to fly off the Earth.  You said this:

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No, it's really not effected by gravity, it's a gas. (emphasis mine)

And here you post a video of helium at a super-fluid state?   :huh:

The wording of your sentence used helium's gaseous state as justification for your claim that it was not significantly affected by gravity.  Problem is, the sun is made of hydrogen and helium and its gravity is the only reason why it has not long since dissipated.

Really, reading over that thread again makes it all the more obvious you don't have a fracking clue as to what you're talking about; you even watch a video specifically talking about near-absolute-zero helium and conclude that it must be referring to standard helium in a gaseous state.  What kind of dumbass thinks that kind of ignoramus would have any competence in judging global warming or evolution?  You don't even understand the concept of centripetal force!

I don't know what you do for a living but I wouldn't leave it out of the question that you are good at it.  But you should hold some humility and realize that you are certainly no man of science.  Either rectify this issue by studying actual textbooks (read: watching videos on the internet won't suffice) or get out of the way and defer to experts in their fields.  Because science does not operate on your intuition or your gut, and science is not something you can bullshit your way through.
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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2013, 09:32:47 AM »
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Helium only appears to defy gravity when it's a super-fluid, not when it is a gas (which your own video makes clear).  That is, when it is just barely above absolute zero in specific conditions not known to be found at all in nature.  And even then, it doesn't literally counteract what is currently defined as the curvature in space-time.

You tried to use helium as an example (specifically as a gas) to prove that "turning gravity" off would not cause objects to fly off the Earth.  You said this:

And here you post a video of helium at a super-fluid state?   :huh:

The wording of your sentence used helium's gaseous state as justification for your claim that it was not significantly affected by gravity.  Problem is, the sun is made of hydrogen and helium and its gravity is the only reason why it has not long since dissipated.

Really, reading over that thread again makes it all the more obvious you don't have a fracking clue as to what you're talking about; you even watch a video specifically talking about near-absolute-zero helium and conclude that it must be referring to standard helium in a gaseous state.  What kind of dumbass thinks that kind of ignoramus would have any competence in judging global warming or evolution?  You don't even understand the concept of centripetal force!

I don't know what you do for a living but I wouldn't leave it out of the question that you are good at it.  But you should hold some humility and realize that you are certainly no man of science.  Either rectify this issue by studying actual textbooks (read: watching videos on the internet won't suffice) or get out of the way and defer to experts in their fields.  Because science does not operate on your intuition or your gut, and science is not something you can bullshit your way through.
In the vacuum of space? It creates it's own mass dumb ass!
I'm not playing this bull shit game of back and forth gotcha with you, you have all but worn out your welcome with your refusal to address actual points, rather you create straw men and dare people to explain nonsense as if it is somehow valid.
Case in point quoted below, pure distraction from the topic, so if you have nothing to bring to the forum outside of pure childish nonsense, then fuckin leave, otherwise start actually addressing issues.
Last warning, do it or be booted!

Why are you so obsessed with Marxism?  And then you turn around and attack liberals for pulling the race card.   :lol:

If you go to hardcore communist sites you'll learn that "liberal" is hurled around as an insult.  But you'd never do that, because to you "marxism" doesn't mean what Marx actually believed (which has nothing whatsoever to do with the democratic party's policy platform), but rather anything that threatens your beloved status quo. 

To demonstrate otherwise, feel free to list all of Obama's policies that are Marxist in nature, and we'll see just how badly you've butchered history.
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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2013, 10:50:40 AM »
In the vacuum of space? It creates it's own mass dumb ass!

Creates its own mass...

creates its own mass...

thus violating the conservation of mass-energy, the most fundamental principle in all physics?  If you could actually prove this, you would turn all of modern physics on its head and doubtlessly go down as one of the most brilliant scientists in human history.  But far from winning the Nobel prize, you're just an ignoramus with no sense of humility or your own limitations.

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Now, you think the OP's studies are bullshit.  On what grounds do you make this assertion?  Grounds, of course, based on noticing specific errors in methodology rather than vague blanket dismissals of scientific fields or appeals to your own gut or [as demonstrated to be nonexistent] expertise.  I've given you these:

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2811%2900289-2
http://2012election.procon.org/sourcefiles/low-effort-thought-promotes-political-conservatism-2012.pdf
http://2012election.procon.org/sourcefiles/Amodio_Neurocognitive_Correlates.pdf
http://2012election.procon.org/sourcefiles/Dodd_Politics_of_Attention.pdf
http://2012election.procon.org/sourcefiles/political-ideology-exploration-of-novel-stimuli-and-attitude-formation-2009.pdf

What do you have to say in response?
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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2013, 11:36:56 AM »
Funny that these "studies' show the exact opposite of what we have witnessed over the past 5 years.

Racism: If we criticize Obama we're labeled racist by the left. Then they criticize us for not having minority candidates. However whenever we back black candidates they are immediately dismissed as "uncle Toms".

Fear:I cannot think of one time since Barry was elected that we weren't (according to the left) headed for a crisis or a disaster of some sort if we didn't immediately agree to whatever the Democrats proposed. If we don't pass the stimulus now we will have another depression. If we don't raise taxes on the evil rich now we have another recession. If we don't pass healthcare now millions of people will die. If we let the sequester cuts take effect planes will fall out of the sky. And the biggest scare tactic of all. Climate change. First it was the coming ice age. Then we were going to run out of food. Then the oceans were going to disappear. Then the ozone layer was eroding because teenage girls who watched MTV were using copious amounts of hairspray and we were all gonna burn to death. Then it was global warming which had to be renamed climate change. And the only way to stop our impending doom is to tax the rich, cap and trade, shut down the fossil fuel industry. We need to make everyone miserable in order to save the world.


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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2013, 11:52:58 AM »
Funny that these "studies' show the exact opposite of what we have witnessed over the past 5 years.

Does it really?

2012's election cycle reflected quite perfectly how conservatives are less willing to modify their viewpoints upon exposure to external stimuli.  That is, you're less malleable to newcoming evidence and rational argument.

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Racism: If we criticize Obama we're labeled racist by the left. Then they criticize us for not having minority candidates. However whenever we back black candidates they are immediately dismissed as "uncle Toms".

How do you explain surveys, then, where conservative voters are more likely to confess to racist and sexist attitudes?

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Fear:I cannot think of one time since Barry was elected that we weren't (according to the left) headed for a crisis or a disaster of some sort if we didn't immediately agree to whatever the Democrats proposed. If we don't pass the stimulus now we will have another depression. If we don't raise taxes on the evil rich now we have another recession. If we don't pass healthcare now millions of people will die. If we let the sequester cuts take effect planes will fall out of the sky.

And remember when Bush and friends refused to believe that the economy was set to collapse?  Or continued to insist that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction?  Once again we see a level of cognitive dissonance among the right where reality is dictated by your personal ideology.

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And the biggest scare tactic of all. Climate change. First it was the coming ice age. Then we were going to run out of food. Then the oceans were going to disappear. Then the ozone layer was eroding because teenage girls who watched MTV were using copious amounts of hairspray and we were all gonna burn to death. Then it was global warming which had to be renamed climate change. And the only way to stop our impending doom is to tax the rich, cap and trade, shut down the fossil fuel industry. We need to make everyone miserable in order to save the world.

You're trying to refute the mountains of empirical data and observation with your personal gut and sensationalist strawmans ("we were all gonna burn to death").
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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2013, 02:42:14 AM »
Liberals don't Think... they Feel!

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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2013, 07:05:05 AM »
Liberals don't Think... they Feel!

And I'm sure you have evidence to pr-oh, you just felt this, didn't you?   :lol:

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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2013, 04:54:10 AM »
And yet ESS data shows the more right wing you are the higher your education is  :lol:

And this data compiled and analysed with funding by the European Commission, hardly a conservative organization, whereas your data is just biased shit  :lol:

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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2013, 05:23:12 AM »
And yet ESS data shows the more right wing you are the higher your education is  :lol:

And this data compiled and analysed with funding by the European Commission, hardly a conservative organization, whereas your data is just biased shit  :lol:

The higher the education, or the fewer wrong things you have to unlearn?

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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2013, 01:20:16 PM »
And yet ESS data shows the more right wing you are the higher your education is  :lol:

Actually it's been shown that liberal candidates tend to draw in both the lower end and upper end of the educational ladder, because most members of the democratic party are not liberals; they're poor people who have more to benefit from progressive economic policies.  Republicans are more likely to have undergraduates as a result but less likely to have masters or doctorates, especially in the sciences.  If you disagree with me just feel free to modify your results to account only for self identified "liberals" and self identified "conservatives".

Google search "liberals vs conservatives education" if you wish.  The reality is that liberals are the most educated group by far in the States, followed by libertarians, and tied with fiscally conservative businessmen for the most affluent.

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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2013, 04:38:50 AM »
Well including those last statements you made the conclusion is that the research you posted in OP is just politicized bullshit unless the brain chemistry between the states and europe are very different.

In any case most of these "research" base themselves on too few data samples, little to nonexistent random sampling and adjustments of the model to fit the desired result. These "biological" research still uses sociological quantitative statistical models which are very easy to base the model on the result you want.

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Re: Liberals vs Conservative thought differences: What does the Science say?
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2013, 05:10:01 AM »
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2811%2900289-2

The study found that liberals on average had more active anterior cingulate cortexes,

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