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Re: Compartmentalization of Topics and Thoughts
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2018, 05:31:56 AM »
walkstall makes a good point. Get up and get a job. I'm only twenty years old but I have managed to find work. I had to humble myself and get jobs I didn't want since I was fifteen, but now I am in the process of getting a paid internship at a local news organization, something I've wanted for years.

Myself, suffering from disabilities such as bipolar disorder, things can be hard sometimes if my medication is thrown out of whack or I hit a depressive state. But I don't sit at home all day and cry about it.

The best thing that happened to me was my parents kicking me out. It forced me to work for things I want and put in extra effort to build a good life for myself. It was the worst kick in the faces, but I was put into a position where I was either going to succeed or fail. Now I am financially independent.

I find it more than disgusting people bitch and complain about this kind of stuff when there's more than enough jobs to meet the masses.

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« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2018, 06:26:35 AM »
walkstall makes a good point. Get up and get a job. I'm only twenty years old but I have managed to find work. I had to humble myself and get jobs I didn't want since I was fifteen, but now I am in the process of getting a paid internship at a local news organization, something I've wanted for years.

Myself, suffering from disabilities such as bipolar disorder, things can be hard sometimes if my medication is thrown out of whack or I hit a depressive state. But I don't sit at home all day and cry about it.

The best thing that happened to me was my parents kicking me out. It forced me to work for things I want and put in extra effort to build a good life for myself. It was the worst kick in the faces, but I was put into a position where I was either going to succeed or fail. Now I am financially independent.

I find it more than disgusting people bitch and complain about this kind of stuff when there's more than enough jobs to meet the masses.
Congrats Con, you make the point we've been making all along, just get out and do it.
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Are these jobs beneath you?
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2018, 08:25:05 PM »
Are these jobs beneath you?

I've been asked this question by others as well and I've heard others being asked this question.  I think it is time to put forth an answer.  Before I answer this question I consider part of the actual job is going through the process of obtaining one.   For me, it isn't just my having the ability to do the actual job but it is the process of going through the steps to obtain the job including to but not limited to interviews, resumes, filling out job applications,  and personality tests.  And, let's not forget the workplace environment as well. 

So the answer to Walkstall's question is this.  There are jobs that are beneath me.  The jobs that are beneath me are as follows.

a.  The jobs that I physically and mentally cannot do.   It is beneath me to waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply for jobs I can't physically and mentally do anyway because employers deserve good employees who can do the jobs effectively and efficiently. 

b.  The jobs that require me to work in a high pressured environment.  It is beneath me to even waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply to jobs that I can do but work in an environment that I can't handle due to slowness of mind and inability to think on my feet.  It is beneath me to be inconsiderate to those in that environment who would have to pick up my slack because I work to slow and I have slowness of mind.

c.  The jobs that in order to obtain them one has to either lie in different ways like bald face lying, lying by omission, lying through exaggeration and other kinds of lies.  One example is the question of :"why do you want to work here" or "why do you want this job?"  The truth is it is socially unacceptable to give an honest and truthful answer.  My natural off the cuff answer would be is that I don't want to be here and do this job but I'm here because I have to provide myself a livelyhood and start somewhere.  If I had it my way I would be at home reading fanfic, writing fanfic, playing games and watching TV. This sort of answer would be unacceptable so one is forced to lie and pretend that he desires to work there and it is the best thing since sliced bread.  Almost all jobs require one to answer this sort of question.    This is just one example.  Another example is one has to show he wants to be there through fake non-verbal facial expressions like smiling, eye contact, lively tone, etc.  In other words, resting bitch or asshole face is unacceptable.  And, one has to shake hands whether one feels comfortable with it or not.  I do it but I fucking hate it.  I hate touching most people and I hate when most touch me. 

Any job that requires me to do things I can't physically or mentally can't do and waste the employer's time and resources is beneath me.  Any job that requires me to work in an environment I can't do or handle due to my aspergers and/or personality type is beneath me whether I can or can't do the technical requirements of the job.  And, that is because it is beneath me to waste my employers time and cause issues with my co-workers and stress them out due to my problems, personality type and autistic proclivities. 

One quote says "If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch" which is very fitting.   It is beneath me to run with the big dawgs if I am unable to run with them due to who and what I am both in autism and personality and if one is forced to tell all kinds of lies and exaggerations just to run with them including but not limited to pretending to have the ability and desire to run with them when one really does not have the ability and desire to run with them. 

It is beneath me to be in a situation in which it is heads one loses and tails one loses due to the social standards of our society.   



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Re: Are these jobs beneath you?
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM »
Are these jobs beneath you?

I've been asked this question by others as well and I've heard others being asked this question.  I think it is time to put forth an answer.  Before I answer this question I consider part of the actual job is going through the process of obtaining one.   For me, it isn't just my having the ability to do the actual job but it is the process of going through the steps to obtain the job including to but not limited to interviews, resumes, filling out job applications,  and personality tests.  And, let's not forget the workplace environment as well. 

So the answer to Walkstall's question is this.  There are jobs that are beneath me.  The jobs that are beneath me are as follows.

a.  The jobs that I physically and mentally cannot do.   It is beneath me to waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply for jobs I can't physically and mentally do anyway because employers deserve good employees who can do the jobs effectively and efficiently. 

b.  The jobs that require me to work in a high pressured environment.  It is beneath me to even waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply to jobs that I can do but work in an environment that I can't handle due to slowness of mind and inability to think on my feet.  It is beneath me to be inconsiderate to those in that environment who would have to pick up my slack because I work to slow and I have slowness of mind.

c.  The jobs that in order to obtain them one has to either lie in different ways like bald face lying, lying by omission, lying through exaggeration and other kinds of lies.  One example is the question of :"why do you want to work here" or "why do you want this job?"  The truth is it is socially unacceptable to give an honest and truthful answer.  My natural off the cuff answer would be is that I don't want to be here and do this job but I'm here because I have to provide myself a livelyhood and start somewhere.  If I had it my way I would be at home reading fanfic, writing fanfic, playing games and watching TV. This sort of answer would be unacceptable so one is forced to lie and pretend that he desires to work there and it is the best thing since sliced bread.  Almost all jobs require one to answer this sort of question.    This is just one example.  Another example is one has to show he wants to be there through fake non-verbal facial expressions like smiling, eye contact, lively tone, etc.  In other words, resting bitch or asshole face is unacceptable.  And, one has to shake hands whether one feels comfortable with it or not.  I do it but I fucking hate it.  I hate touching most people and I hate when most touch me. 

Any job that requires me to do things I can't physically or mentally can't do and waste the employer's time and resources is beneath me.  Any job that requires me to work in an environment I can't do or handle due to my aspergers and/or personality type is beneath me whether I can or can't do the technical requirements of the job.  And, that is because it is beneath me to waste my employers time and cause issues with my co-workers and stress them out due to my problems, personality type and autistic proclivities. 

One quote says "If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch" which is very fitting.   It is beneath me to run with the big dawgs if I am unable to run with them due to who and what I am both in autism and personality and if one is forced to tell all kinds of lies and exaggerations just to run with them including but not limited to pretending to have the ability and desire to run with them when one really does not have the ability and desire to run with them. 

It is beneath me to be in a situation in which it is heads one loses and tails one loses due to the social standards of our society.
Wow, talk about a cop out! You have created an excuse for every job out there. Restaurant owners started at busting tables, virtually every business owner out there started at the bottom, the entry level, but they saw a challenge and new they could do it better.
You just gave yourself an out in not having to start, anywhere!

I get it, your view of life is through that of a prism, or cracked mirror, while the rest of us see one image, you see more and have to decide which one is right.
Well, I've got news for you, we all do that, and most of the time we simply guess and hope we're right.
Your problem is you're just scared to make a decision because you might make a mistake. Coward!

It's not the work that bothers you, it's the process of obtaining a job. You've never worked a day in your life, and the idea of your world changing scares the shit out of you.
Go ahead, be a coward, sit in misery the rest of your life complaining about how hard it is while the rest of life blows by you.
How many more years are you going to dream of independence?

I'm curious, is there any job you're capable of doing? And I don't mean perfectly, I mean getting by like the rest of the miserable saps doing it.
Point is, employers would love to have someone that finds the job challenging over those that hate it, those that see a challenge in monotonous work are keepers, they show others what it means to find simple joy in accomplishing menial tasks, rather than dreading the task at hand, the person that finds challenge tends to take pride in every task because that's another achievement.
Walmart, Homedespot, Kwikstop, too name a few sees the value in the handicapped which is why they hire them, and here we are coming up on Christmas, they're dying for people like you.

Your choice, get a job or be a waste to society.
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Re: Are these jobs beneath you?
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2018, 04:30:16 AM »
Are these jobs beneath you?

I've been asked this question by others as well and I've heard others being asked this question.  I think it is time to put forth an answer.  Before I answer this question I consider part of the actual job is going through the process of obtaining one.   For me, it isn't just my having the ability to do the actual job but it is the process of going through the steps to obtain the job including to but not limited to interviews, resumes, filling out job applications,  and personality tests.  And, let's not forget the workplace environment as well. 

So the answer to Walkstall's question is this.  There are jobs that are beneath me.  The jobs that are beneath me are as follows.

a.  The jobs that I physically and mentally cannot do.   It is beneath me to waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply for jobs I can't physically and mentally do anyway because employers deserve good employees who can do the jobs effectively and efficiently. 

b.  The jobs that require me to work in a high pressured environment.  It is beneath me to even waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply to jobs that I can do but work in an environment that I can't handle due to slowness of mind and inability to think on my feet.  It is beneath me to be inconsiderate to those in that environment who would have to pick up my slack because I work to slow and I have slowness of mind.

c.  The jobs that in order to obtain them one has to either lie in different ways like bald face lying, lying by omission, lying through exaggeration and other kinds of lies.  One example is the question of :"why do you want to work here" or "why do you want this job?"  The truth is it is socially unacceptable to give an honest and truthful answer.  My natural off the cuff answer would be is that I don't want to be here and do this job but I'm here because I have to provide myself a livelyhood and start somewhere.  If I had it my way I would be at home reading fanfic, writing fanfic, playing games and watching TV. This sort of answer would be unacceptable so one is forced to lie and pretend that he desires to work there and it is the best thing since sliced bread.  Almost all jobs require one to answer this sort of question.    This is just one example.  Another example is one has to show he wants to be there through fake non-verbal facial expressions like smiling, eye contact, lively tone, etc.  In other words, resting bitch or asshole face is unacceptable.  And, one has to shake hands whether one feels comfortable with it or not.  I do it but I fucking hate it.  I hate touching most people and I hate when most touch me. 

Any job that requires me to do things I can't physically or mentally can't do and waste the employer's time and resources is beneath me.  Any job that requires me to work in an environment I can't do or handle due to my aspergers and/or personality type is beneath me whether I can or can't do the technical requirements of the job.  And, that is because it is beneath me to waste my employers time and cause issues with my co-workers and stress them out due to my problems, personality type and autistic proclivities. 

One quote says "If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch" which is very fitting.   It is beneath me to run with the big dawgs if I am unable to run with them due to who and what I am both in autism and personality and if one is forced to tell all kinds of lies and exaggerations just to run with them including but not limited to pretending to have the ability and desire to run with them when one really does not have the ability and desire to run with them. 

It is beneath me to be in a situation in which it is heads one loses and tails one loses due to the social standards of our society.

Have you tried at a car wash?
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Re: Are these jobs beneath you?
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2018, 07:01:25 AM »
Are these jobs beneath you?

I've been asked this question by others as well and I've heard others being asked this question.  I think it is time to put forth an answer.  Before I answer this question I consider part of the actual job is going through the process of obtaining one.   For me, it isn't just my having the ability to do the actual job but it is the process of going through the steps to obtain the job including to but not limited to interviews, resumes, filling out job applications,  and personality tests.  And, let's not forget the workplace environment as well. 

So the answer to Walkstall's question is this.  There are jobs that are beneath me.  The jobs that are beneath me are as follows.

a.  The jobs that I physically and mentally cannot do.   It is beneath me to waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply for jobs I can't physically and mentally do anyway because employers deserve good employees who can do the jobs effectively and efficiently. 

b.  The jobs that require me to work in a high pressured environment.  It is beneath me to even waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply to jobs that I can do but work in an environment that I can't handle due to slowness of mind and inability to think on my feet.  It is beneath me to be inconsiderate to those in that environment who would have to pick up my slack because I work to slow and I have slowness of mind.

c.  The jobs that in order to obtain them one has to either lie in different ways like bald face lying, lying by omission, lying through exaggeration and other kinds of lies.  One example is the question of :"why do you want to work here" or "why do you want this job?"  The truth is it is socially unacceptable to give an honest and truthful answer.  My natural off the cuff answer would be is that I don't want to be here and do this job but I'm here because I have to provide myself a livelyhood and start somewhere.  If I had it my way I would be at home reading fanfic, writing fanfic, playing games and watching TV. This sort of answer would be unacceptable so one is forced to lie and pretend that he desires to work there and it is the best thing since sliced bread.  Almost all jobs require one to answer this sort of question.    This is just one example.  Another example is one has to show he wants to be there through fake non-verbal facial expressions like smiling, eye contact, lively tone, etc.  In other words, resting bitch or asshole face is unacceptable.  And, one has to shake hands whether one feels comfortable with it or not.  I do it but I fucking hate it.  I hate touching most people and I hate when most touch me. 

Any job that requires me to do things I can't physically or mentally can't do and waste the employer's time and resources is beneath me.  Any job that requires me to work in an environment I can't do or handle due to my aspergers and/or personality type is beneath me whether I can or can't do the technical requirements of the job.  And, that is because it is beneath me to waste my employers time and cause issues with my co-workers and stress them out due to my problems, personality type and autistic proclivities. 

One quote says "If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch" which is very fitting.   It is beneath me to run with the big dawgs if I am unable to run with them due to who and what I am both in autism and personality and if one is forced to tell all kinds of lies and exaggerations just to run with them including but not limited to pretending to have the ability and desire to run with them when one really does not have the ability and desire to run with them. 

It is beneath me to be in a situation in which it is heads one loses and tails one loses due to the social standards of our society.   

Seems like you've come up with every excuse in the book. I absolutley hate the fact that you use disabilities as a cop out. While I do not know your disability or what you struggle with, I am almost possitive that there are people who are far more disabeled who have obtained and been able to mantain employment. It may not be as the CEO of a company, but at least they put forth an effort and they get a job. A friend of mine suffers from schizofrania. Since she was seventeen she's struggeled greatly with it, disabling her from aquiring any job. YEt with hard work on HERSELF and the help of people in her freidn group nd doctors she now works for an ad agency in New York City.

If you go into life wth your mindset have fun being homeless. Sometimes you have to get jobs you don't want to get. Every single person has had to do that.

Solar makes an amazing point."Restaurant owners started at busting tables, virtually every business owner out there started at the bottom, the entry level, but they saw a challenge and new they could do it better.
You just gave yourself an out in not having to start, anywhere!"
You can't simply expect to start at the top. You have to put in work.

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Re: Are these jobs beneath you?
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2018, 07:46:40 AM »
Seems like you've come up with every excuse in the book. I absolutley hate the fact that you use disabilities as a cop out. While I do not know your disability or what you struggle with, I am almost possitive that there are people who are far more disabeled who have obtained and been able to mantain employment. It may not be as the CEO of a company, but at least they put forth an effort and they get a job. A friend of mine suffers from schizofrania. Since she was seventeen she's struggeled greatly with it, disabling her from aquiring any job. YEt with hard work on HERSELF and the help of people in her freidn group nd doctors she now works for an ad agency in New York City.

If you go into life wth your mindset have fun being homeless. Sometimes you have to get jobs you don't want to get. Every single person has had to do that.

Solar makes an amazing point."Restaurant owners started at busting tables, virtually every business owner out there started at the bottom, the entry level, but they saw a challenge and new they could do it better.
You just gave yourself an out in not having to start, anywhere!"
You can't simply expect to start at the top. You have to put in work.
Yep, even sorting plastic at a recycling plant can be a great paying job.
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Re: Are these jobs beneath you?
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2018, 09:55:46 PM »
Wow, talk about a cop out! You have created an excuse for every job out there. Restaurant owners started at busting tables, virtually every business owner out there started at the bottom, the entry level, but they saw a challenge and new they could do it better.

Let's use the dictionary that is acceptable to you.  And let's look up the word excuse.  http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/excuse

I think definition number 7 is the best one for our context.  7. To justify; to vindicate. 

First, everyone has a justification or reason behind doing something.  Two, the real question is one's justification valid and based in truth and reason.  I say that it is.

a. The stats on the Bureau of Labor Statistics back me up.

b.  It is true that I've had some successes here and there but one has to look at the overall outcome of myself which I will not get into here.  I would have to state the jobs I've had individually and the surrounding context behind those.  This would take pages upon pages to even explain.  One example I can give is I did do work for a welder.  I painted a brick wall.   I sucked at it.  I went to slow, kept missing spots and kept painting in areas I should not have painted.  Same issues I had when coloring.  I literally could not stay within the lines.  And, that's only scratching the surface.  In other words, my own experiences including this one back me up.

c.  Others have had similar experiences to me as well.  You can go on Wrongplanet.net and other autism sites and see some of the issues the bulk of them have. 

d.  The requirements employers require outside of one's technical ability including but not limited to the social aspect.  And, not just to work but to go through the process of OBTAINING Work.  With this said, the jobs I did have I didn't get through on my own.  I was simply in the right place at the right time.   


You just gave yourself an out in not having to start, anywhere!

Did I truthfully not start or did I start long ago and crashed and burned because I encountered a series of issues I could not process through and didn't know how to specifically handle them. 

I get it, your view of life is through that of a prism, or cracked mirror, while the rest of us see one image, you see more and have to decide which one is right.

That I do. 
Well, I've got news for you, we all do that, and most of the time we simply guess and hope we're right.

Which means that some people make it and some do not.  Let's get down to it.  Let's tell this truth then instead of spreading the false notion that anyone and everyone can achieve the american dream if they work hard and set their mind to it.  This idea is a lie.   Why can't you admit to this truth?

Your problem is you're just scared to make a decision because you might make a mistake. Coward!

Let's attack my arguments, my reasoning and my logic and let's use some critical thought instead of attacking my character.

It's not the work that bothers you, it's the process of obtaining a job. You've never worked a day in your life, and the idea of your world changing scares the shit out of you.

a.  I've had jobs.  This part of what you said is false.

b.  This isn't my world.  I don't have a world.  I only have a perception and/or a fraction of an understanding of our world.  We live in THE world.

c.  I'm Autistic.   This is one of the core components of Autism.  It is extreme difficulty with change especially with change I have no control over, forced to be an active participant in and change that happens out of the blue in which one has to make instantaneous decisions. 

Go ahead, be a coward, sit in misery the rest of your life complaining about how hard it is while the rest of life blows by you.

Again, Let's attack my arguments, my reasoning and my logic and let's use some critical thought instead of attacking my character.

How many more years are you going to dream of independence?

Well, why do dreams matter?   But, what you're really asking under certain assumptions that I don't accept as true and I've explained to you in logical terms is when will I get off my ass and do something.  When will I help myself.  One, I don't believe one has as much control over one's destiny as one thinks.  We live in a world of probabilities and possibilities.  If parallel universes exist right alongside of us then there is a parallel version of me who did achieve success.  And, there is a universe in which a "me" does not exist.  The answer to your question is that all possibilities that could possibly be true are true and if the amount of possibilities is X then the amount of times I did manage to succeed and somehow I did find a way to get off my ass as you, walkstall and others call it is in the subset of X which we will call A.  So, to answer your question imagine all possibilities of the set of A. 

I'm curious, is there any job you're capable of doing? And I don't mean perfectly, I mean getting by like the rest of the miserable saps doing it.

I don't understand the question.   I don't understand how the rest of the miserable saps think and get by so there is not enough data to give you a meaningful response as the different computers stated through their various iterations in the essay by Issac Asimov called "The Last Question."  I can tell you from my perspective that the miserable saps have innate knowledge and instincts I don't have similar to the beating of a heart.

Point is, employers would love to have someone that finds the job challenging over those that hate it, those that see a challenge in monotonous work are keepers, they show others what it means to find simple joy in accomplishing menial tasks, rather than dreading the task at hand, the person that finds challenge tends to take pride in every task because that's another achievement.

I will do what needs to be done.  I've cleaned up shit.  I've taken out the trash etc, etc, etc.  At Kroger when I did work there, I had to kill a slew of cockroaches with bug spray and spend the next hour past my shift cleaning it.  I didn't mind doing that.  But, did I get joy out of doing that, bagging groceries, and taking out the trash and cleaning up shit.   HELL FUCKING NO!  I HATED EVERY FUCKING MINUTE OF IT!  I did it anyway because it was required of me and needed to be done.  I did it.   I would do it again.  But, the requirement is to get joy out of it as well and display joy when I don't feel joy?  What if I do not feel joy?  Then I have to pretend I do.  Which means, I'm forced to be dishonest while at the same time accepting being told that honesty is the best policy.  I'm being forced into double-think.  Is honesty the best policy, yes or no?  Can I be myself, yes or no? 

Walmart, Homedespot, Kwikstop, too name a few sees the value in the handicapped which is why they hire them, and here we are coming up on Christmas, they're dying for people like you.

In the times I lived here and have been to other places in the USA I've only seen two people who were obviously handicapped and that was at Publix.  One was in a wheelchair and another was obviously mentally handicapped somehow.  The other employees at Publix wanted both of them gone especially the one with the mental handicap.  Another thing, just because they say they're accepting those with disabilities doesn't mean they actually really are.  My experience is that it is a dog and pony show.  I believe you and if it was really true then the Bureau of Labor Statistics and my compadres would be telling a different story.  And, more then likely my experiences would be different then what it is today. 

Your choice, get a job or be a waste to society.

Why does it have to be black and white either or.  Why can't one contribute to society in other ways?   Who says one even has a choice in all aspects of life?  If I have choice then don't do others have choices as well and don't their choices affect what choices I have and the understanding of the choices I do have?  And, in this set of two choices you gave which excludes the middle why can't one choose neither?   Didn't all the people who commit suicide over the ages choose neither?   Again, you labor under a set of premises that you assume to be true.  I don't accept them to be true because the world, life and existence is much more complex then that. 

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Re: Are these jobs beneath you?
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2018, 10:18:15 PM »
Seems like you've come up with every excuse in the book. I absolutley hate the fact that you use disabilities as a cop out. While I do not know your disability or what you struggle with, I am almost possitive that there are people who are far more disabeled who have obtained and been able to mantain employment. It may not be as the CEO of a company, but at least they put forth an effort and they get a job. A friend of mine suffers from schizofrania. Since she was seventeen she's struggeled greatly with it, disabling her from aquiring any job. YEt with hard work on HERSELF and the help of people in her freidn group nd doctors she now works for an ad agency in New York City.

If you go into life wth your mindset have fun being homeless. Sometimes you have to get jobs you don't want to get. Every single person has had to do that.

Solar makes an amazing point."Restaurant owners started at busting tables, virtually every business owner out there started at the bottom, the entry level, but they saw a challenge and new they could do it better.
You just gave yourself an out in not having to start, anywhere!"
You can't simply expect to start at the top. You have to put in work.

My disability is Autism. 

As for excuses refer to what I said to Solar.

I don't care about being the CEO nor do I wish to be a CEO.

As for her schitzophrenia.  She sounds like she had a lot of support and the right kind.  I'm not receiving it.

It isn't just doing the job which is a major factor but the process of obtaining one. 

As for busting tables.  Doing the things they do require excellent motor coordination skills with a quickness of speed I don't have.  The way they carry the food and drink I would not be able to physically do.  Again, the process of obtaining the job is difficult for me especially with the personality tests the interviews.   I don't  understand the structure of these tests  and some of the questions on said tests.  The very structure of these tests make no sense.  We have Strongly Agree, Somewhat Agree, Neutral, Somewhat Disagree and Strongly Disagree.  The problem is even if I strongly agree then which can imply 99% agreement then logically I must somewhat disagree or have 1% disagreement.  Let's say we have jelly beans in a jar and there are 100 of them.  99 of them are red.  One is blue.  If 99 of them are red and one is blue then not all of them are red so some must be not red. 

In a given logical set, if x is a subset of b and not everything in the set of b is the set of a then some members of the set of b must logically be ~a.    If only some are a then some must be ~a.  This is one reason out of many I have such problems with the process of becoming employed.  Tests such as this. 

As for doing a car wash.   Again, the process of obtaining a car wash job comes up.   Even, if I did the car wash again I have motor coordination problems so my pace will be slower then others.   

Starting at the bottom.  I have no idea what it means.   Where is the bottom exactly?  Is college the bottom?  Is scrubbing toilets the bottom?  If scrubbing toilets is the bottom, then what?  All you're giving me is a retarded bumper sticker slogan that means jack shit to me.

What do you mean by seeing a challenge?  Are you saying to take the initiative?  What are my boundaries exactly?  How do I know what I'm allowed to do or not do?

You, Solar and others state in no uncertain terms that it's socially unacceptable to make excuses or justifications.  Ok, so what specially can I do exactly deal with the issues I've described so far? 
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« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2018, 03:44:47 AM »


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« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2018, 05:05:43 AM »
Let's use the dictionary that is acceptable to you.  And let's look up the word excuse.  http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/excuse

I think definition number 7 is the best one for our context.  7. To justify; to vindicate. 

First, everyone has a justification or reason behind doing something.  Two, the real question is one's justification valid and based in truth and reason.  I say that it is.
Problem is, you aren't doing, you have a justification for not even trying.

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a. The stats on the Bureau of Labor Statistics back me up.

b.  It is true that I've had some successes here and there but one has to look at the overall outcome of myself which I will not get into here.  I would have to state the jobs I've had individually and the surrounding context behind those.  This would take pages upon pages to even explain.  One example I can give is I did do work for a welder.  I painted a brick wall.   I sucked at it.  I went to slow, kept missing spots and kept painting in areas I should not have painted.  Same issues I had when coloring.  I literally could not stay within the lines.  And, that's only scratching the surface.  In other words, my own experiences including this one back me up.

c.  Others have had similar experiences to me as well.  You can go on Wrongplanet.net and other autism sites and see some of the issues the bulk of them have. 

d.  The requirements employers require outside of one's technical ability including but not limited to the social aspect.  And, not just to work but to go through the process of OBTAINING Work.  With this said, the jobs I did have I didn't get through on my own.  I was simply in the right place at the right time.   


Did I truthfully not start or did I start long ago and crashed and burned because I encountered a series of issues I could not process through and didn't know how to specifically handle them. 

That I do. 
If you putt even one tenth of this effort into getting a job, you'd be working tomorrow.
Can  you clear the table after you're done eating? Then you're qualified too buss tables.

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Which means that some people make it and some do not.  Let's get down to it.  Let's tell this truth then instead of spreading the false notion that anyone and everyone can achieve the american dream if they work hard and set their mind to it.  This idea is a lie.   Why can't you admit to this truth?
Total bullshit! You set your sights too fuckin high, and certain jobs appears to be beneath you.

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Let's attack my arguments, my reasoning and my logic and let's use some critical thought instead of attacking my character.
I am, but your character goes straight back to more excuses.

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a.  I've had jobs.  This part of what you said is false.
Annnnnd? I've had thousands of job=s in my lifetime, but had I quit after a few failures, I'd be just like you, self loathing, self pity and still trying to justify why I can't see to find a job where everyone caters to my demands.

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b.  This isn't my world.  I don't have a world.  I only have a perception and/or a fraction of an understanding of our world.  We live in THE world.
So you've been told. Can you sweep a floor, mop, vacuum, wipe off desks? Then you qualify as a night janitor, even day in some places. All they ask is that you show up on time, and guess what, the Federal govt has programs specially designed to accommodate people just like you.

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c.  I'm Autistic.   This is one of the core components of Autism.  It is extreme difficulty with change especially with change I have no control over, forced to be an active participant in and change that happens out of the blue in which one has to make instantaneous decisions.
 
So you're perfect for a janitorial job, one that has a set parameter that virtually never changes.

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Again, Let's attack my arguments, my reasoning and my logic and let's use some critical thought instead of attacking my character.
They're inseparable!

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Well, why do dreams matter?   But, what you're really asking under certain assumptions that I don't accept as true and I've explained to you in logical terms is when will I get off my ass and do something.  When will I help myself.  One, I don't believe one has as much control over one's destiny as one thinks.  We live in a world of probabilities and possibilities.  If parallel universes exist right alongside of us then there is a parallel version of me who did achieve success.  And, there is a universe in which a "me" does not exist.  The answer to your question is that all possibilities that could possibly be true are true and if the amount of possibilities is X then the amount of times I did manage to succeed and somehow I did find a way to get off my ass as you, walkstall and others call it is in the subset of X which we will call A.  So, to answer your question imagine all possibilities of the set of A. 

I don't understand the question.   I don't understand how the rest of the miserable saps think and get by so there is not enough data to give you a meaningful response as the different computers stated through their various iterations in the essay by Issac Asimov called "The Last Question."  I can tell you from my perspective that the miserable saps have innate knowledge and instincts I don't have similar to the beating of a heart.

I will do what needs to be done.  I've cleaned up shit.  I've taken out the trash etc, etc, etc.  At Kroger when I did work there, I had to kill a slew of cockroaches with bug spray and spend the next hour past my shift cleaning it.  I didn't mind doing that.  But, did I get joy out of doing that, bagging groceries, and taking out the trash and cleaning up shit.   HELL FUCKING NO!  I HATED EVERY FUCKING MINUTE OF IT!  I did it anyway because it was required of me and needed to be done.  I did it.   I would do it again.  But, the requirement is to get joy out of it as well and display joy when I don't feel joy?  What if I do not feel joy?  Then I have to pretend I do.  Which means, I'm forced to be dishonest while at the same time accepting being told that honesty is the best policy.  I'm being forced into double-think.  Is honesty the best policy, yes or no?  Can I be myself, yes or no? 
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Wait, you had a job that you actually hated? Welcome to reality, If I liked any of the jobs I ever worked, I wouldn't have quit, but truth be known, I fuckin hated them all, that's why I quit, they sucked, that's why I went into business for myself, everyone is an idiot!
Not true, I just got sick to death of people so I started my own company.

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In the times I lived here and have been to other places in the USA I've only seen two people who were obviously handicapped and that was at Publix.  One was in a wheelchair and another was obviously mentally handicapped somehow.  The other employees at Publix wanted both of them gone especially the one with the mental handicap.  Another thing, just because they say they're accepting those with disabilities doesn't mean they actually really are.  My experience is that it is a dog and pony show.  I believe you and if it was really true then the Bureau of Labor Statistics and my compadres would be telling a different story.  And, more then likely my experiences would be different then what it is today. 

Why does it have to be black and white either or.  Why can't one contribute to society in other ways?   Who says one even has a choice in all aspects of life?  If I have choice then don't do others have choices as well and don't their choices affect what choices I have and the understanding of the choices I do have?  And, in this set of two choices you gave which excludes the middle why can't one choose neither?   Didn't all the people who commit suicide over the ages choose neither?   Again, you labor under a set of premises that you assume to be true.  I don't accept them to be true because the world, life and existence is much more complex then that.
Fuck society! This is about you and what you want out of life, screw what others think of you, tell them to SHTFU, they are no better or different than you, they attack you to make themselves "Feel" superior, otherwise they'd simply avoid you altogether.
Keep in mind, they chose a deadened job, you on the other hand just want independence, insulting you is what weak minded people do, liberals, if you will.
I'll bet if you were to ask everyone on this forum, that each and everyone of them did jobs they absolutely despised, but did it in hopes of moving up the ladder to something better.
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Re: Are these jobs beneath you?
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2018, 05:45:21 AM »
My disability is Autism... As for her schizophrenia.  She sounds like she had a lot of support and the right kind.  I'm not receiving it.

Right, and I know plenty of people with Autism who work. I don't pretend to know where you sit on the spectrum of autism but unless impeding you from completing simple tasks every single day then it shouldn't be used as an excuse. I understand what you said above about not getting the help you need, there are plenty of links online that may provide you with assistance as to how and where you can seek assistance to put you in a place where you think you can go through the process of getting a job.

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It isn't just doing the job which is a major factor but the process of obtaining one. 

Nobody here is under the illusion that looking for one can suck. Its tedious and painful at times but if you don't try and you don't put yourself out there then you will never see reward.

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Starting at the bottom.  I have no idea what it means.   Where is the bottom exactly?  Is college the bottom?  Is scrubbing toilets at the bottom?  If scrubbing toilets is the bottom, then what?  All you're giving me is a retarded bumper sticker slogan that means jack shit to me.[
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When I say starting from the bottom I mean an entry-level job. You mentioned above your reasoning for not being able to various jobs, but those are the types of jobs you would have to get. Yes, there are other ones out there such as data entry or retail associates that don't require the extreme stress and hustle that you cannot keep up with. Have you talked to a career center or something? They have them all over where I live to help place people in jobs, some part-time, some full time and some temp. It seems more to me that you should really seek out some assistance on this from just about anyone. Most of my jobs I got through meeting people.

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What do you mean by seeing a challenge?  Are you saying to take the initiative? What are my boundaries exactly?  How do I know what I'm allowed to do or not do?

That is exactly what I am telling you to do. If you don't take initiative you will never find anything. I'm not saying to break your back over it, but at least try a little. Even with your disability you can still put together a resume and walk into a couple of places.

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You, Solar and others state in no uncertain terms that it's socially unacceptable to make excuses or justifications.  Ok, so what especially can I do exactly deal with the issues I've described so far?

That's exactly what I'm saying. I can't speak for Solar, but I'm sure that when he messes up he takes ownership for it. I learned that excuses get you nowhere in life, and I've carried that with me. Of course, I'm not perfect, but I take ownership of my screw-ups and I move forward from there. If I were in your shoes I wouldn't sit around and whine about it I would pick myself up and go back to the drawing board to find something I want to do. What can you do to deal with the issues? I'm not sure because I do not know you and I do not know exactly what it is your struggle with. But for the one you could go seek out some help for not only your mental state but in acquiring a job. Stop coming up with excuses for yourself no matter how big or small and GROW UP. I'm sorry if it's harsh, but there are far more people in this world who have it worse off then you who have managed to make something of themselves. You can do it, you just have to putyour mind to it.

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Re: Are these jobs beneath you?
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2018, 06:55:20 PM »
Problem is, you aren't doing, you have a justification for not even trying.

I justification my position based upon that I did try and personal experience, the bureau of labor statistics, other ppl's experiences, the stats on autism employment, that life is a competition which must entail winners and losers and that life is unfair which is truth.  I collated the data from my earliest memory till now including how I did get the jobs I had and the issues I had with them.  And, let's not forget my difficulty setting boundaries with others that caused all sorts of issues with my peers.

 
If you putt even one tenth of this effort into getting a job, you'd be working tomorrow.

Not true based upon the employment process.

Can  you clear the table after you're done eating? Then you're qualified too buss tables.

The work environment differs from the home environment so not true.

Total bullshit! You set your sights too fuckin high, and certain jobs appears to be beneath you.

If I believe myself to not be able to function in society then how do I set my standards to high?  Do I have a low opinion of my abilities or to high?  Which is it? You're not making sense.

I am, but your character goes straight back to more excuses.

Even if my character is bad my character has no baring on what is true or not.

Annnnnd? I've had thousands of job=s in my lifetime, but had I quit after a few failures, I'd be just like you, self loathing, self pity and still trying to justify why I can't see to find a job where everyone caters to my demands.

Annnnnd?  How did you represent this on your resume and interview when asked why did you leave your last job?

So you've been told. Can you sweep a floor, mop, vacuum, wipe off desks? Then you qualify as a night janitor, even day in some places. All they ask is that you show up on time, and guess what, the Federal govt has programs specially designed to accommodate people just like you.

I went to Voc Rehab twice.  I got dicked around, bullshitted and lied to.  I even told you I went there and you gave me shit for using it since it was a gov't program and you're against gov't programs except when it benefited you.  The gov't paid the people you got a salary instead of you doing it.  Truth is you and your friends on here browbeat others over the head with life not being fair until the life not being fair happens in your backyard.  Just like you're against gov't programs until they benefit you.  So, we can establish one negative character trait of yourself which is hypocrisy.
 
So you're perfect for a janitorial job, one that has a set parameter that virtually never changes.

According to the lack of responses I received when I did go for janitor jobs and other things including Bell Boy I'm not.  So, they must've saw red flags especially with their personality tests.
Wait, you had a job that you actually hated? Welcome to reality, If I liked any of the jobs I ever worked, I wouldn't have quit, but truth be known, I fuckin hated them all, that's why I quit, they sucked, that's why I went into business for myself, everyone is an idiot!

No, it's the whole having to be dishonest and pretend you love it with a smile on your face that gets to me.   This right here is another reason.  I'll do the job and I'll do a damned good one.  I will bust my ass but don't force me to lie.


Fuck society! This is about you and what you want out of life, screw what others think of you, tell them to SHTFU, they are no better or different than you, they attack you to make themselves "Feel" superior, otherwise they'd simply avoid you altogether.

The thing is some of those others set the rules, have the keys and guard all the doors. 
Keep in mind, they chose a deadened job, you on the other hand just want independence, insulting you is what weak minded people do, liberals, if you will.
I'll bet if you were to ask everyone on this forum, that each and everyone of them did jobs they absolutely despised, but did it in hopes of moving up the ladder to something better.

I wish I lived in a society in which those with autism were in majority.  I would immigrate there.  No having to deal with metaphors that mean nothing to me.  Things would be spelled out and everyone would say what they meant and meant what they said.  Language would be more literal and concrete.  We can be able to say things wondering if we said the wrong thing or not.

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Re: Are these jobs beneath you?
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2018, 07:18:07 PM »
I justification my position based upon that I did try and personal experience, the bureau of labor statistics, other ppl's experiences, the stats on autism employment, that life is a competition which must entail winners and losers and that life is unfair which is truth.  I collated the data from my earliest memory till now including how I did get the jobs I had and the issues I had with them.  And, let's not forget my difficulty setting boundaries with others that caused all sorts of issues with my peers.

 
Not true based upon the employment process.

The work environment differs from the home environment so not true.

If I believe myself to not be able to function in society then how do I set my standards to high?  Do I have a low opinion of my abilities or to high?  Which is it? You're not making sense.

Even if my character is bad my character has no baring on what is true or not.

Annnnnd?  How did you represent this on your resume and interview when asked why did you leave your last job?

I went to Voc Rehab twice.  I got dicked around, bullshitted and lied to.  I even told you I went there and you gave me shit for using it since it was a gov't program and you're against gov't programs except when it benefited you.  The gov't paid the people you got a salary instead of you doing it.  Truth is you and your friends on here browbeat others over the head with life not being fair until the life not being fair happens in your backyard.  Just like you're against gov't programs until they benefit you.  So, we can establish one negative character trait of yourself which is hypocrisy.
 
According to the lack of responses I received when I did go for janitor jobs and other things including Bell Boy I'm not.  So, they must've saw red flags especially with their personality tests.
No, it's the whole having to be dishonest and pretend you love it with a smile on your face that gets to me.   This right here is another reason.  I'll do the job and I'll do a damned good one.  I will bust my ass but don't force me to lie.


The thing is some of those others set the rules, have the keys and guard all the doors. 
I wish I lived in a society in which those with autism were in majority.  I would immigrate there.  No having to deal with metaphors that mean nothing to me.  Things would be spelled out and everyone would say what they meant and meant what they said.  Language would be more literal and concrete.  We can be able to say things wondering if we said the wrong thing or not.
I give up. You are so set on continuing to not try, I see no need to continue with what is a futile attempt to get you to get off your ass and face the real world.
Go ahead, stay in your room and live in self pity, but don't expect any sympathy from me.
I've never seen so many excuses in my life from someone trying to avoid all the pleasures life has to offer, failure is a part of life, looks like that's the only part you'll ever experience.
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« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2018, 07:37:24 PM »
Right, and I know plenty of people with Autism who work. I don't pretend to know where you sit on the spectrum of autism but unless impeding you from completing simple tasks every single day then it shouldn't be used as an excuse. I understand what you said above about not getting the help you need, there are plenty of links online that may provide you with assistance as to how and where you can seek assistance to put you in a place where you think you can go through the process of getting a job.

like where?

Nobody here is under the illusion that looking for one can suck. Its tedious and painful at times but if you don't try and you don't put yourself out there then you will never see reward.

I did try. 

That is exactly what I am telling you to do. If you don't take initiative you will never find anything. I'm not saying to break your back over it, but at least try a little. Even with your disability you can still put together a resume and walk into a couple of places.

I did.  And, no you can't just walk in.  They demand you submit your resume online.  Shit, I've been to job fairs which were a complete waste cause all they do is tell you to apply online.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I can't speak for Solar, but I'm sure that when he messes up he takes ownership for it.


How do you take ownership exactly?

And, what if one doesn't grasp where he messed up at and why it would be a mess up?  And, when one tries to ask questions and no one will explain it to him?  Then what?

I learned that excuses get you nowhere in life, and I've carried that with me.

And, what if my excuses are based in valid reasoning, then what?  Let's go onto a side bar so I can give an example as to why this lesson you learned is absolutely retarded.  In fourth grade we were in the hall way as a class preparing to go to music class.  We were all expected to stand on the 2nd block. The floor was divided into blocks.  But, the person in front of me was a bully and kept picking on me.  I kept trying to stop him.  The teacher pulled everyone who wasn't on the 2nd block into the classroom. He had us write an essay why we didn't comply.  I gave my excuse blamed the bully for why I didn't comply.  It was accepted as valid and I was allowed to leave to go to music class. 

So, I don't understand why all excuses are invalid and why I'm not allowed to blame others no matter the fucking circumstance.


Of course, I'm not perfect, but I take ownership of my screw-ups and I move forward from there.

How?


If I were in your shoes I wouldn't sit around and whine about it I would pick myself up and go back to the drawing board to find something I want to do. What can you do to deal with the issues?


Think of Godel's Incompleteness theorms.  A given system can never be complete and consistent at the same time. I can't use my very thinking to correct my thinking if my thinking caused my issues in the first place.  My brain is compromised so I need a mind outside of myself to go through things with me.   

I'm not sure because I do not know you and I do not know exactly what it is your struggle with. But for the one you could go seek out some help for not only your mental state but in acquiring a job.

I did.  I got fucked over.


Stop coming up with excuses for yourself no matter how big or small and GROW UP. I'm sorry if it's harsh, but there are far more people in this world who have it worse off then you who have managed to make something of themselves. You can do it, you just have to putyour mind to it.

You're not harsh or not harsh b/c You're not even making sense.  You're claiming others have it worse then me and made it.  Yet, you don't know my issues.  On what basis do you come up with this. 

You said "You can do it, you just have to putyour mind to it."  In other words, I can do anything I set my mind to.  Question.  What are the constraints on this?  What are my boundaries exactly?  If we all literally could do this then everyone of us could be president.  How does that even make sense?  I've been fed this retarded bumper sticker slogan all my life.  I didn't accept it as a child and I don't accept its validity now.  If it was true then we'd all get what we wanted and needed and life would be fair  yet life is not fair and we don't always get what we want or need.  Do you not realize this double-think is out of the playbook of Orwell's 1984?

 

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