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I'm not sure if this is the appropriate spot to put this.  If not, please forgive me.

Everyone here and other boards both in politics and non-politics seem to follow this schema and it is so frustrating.  People want to keep their thoughts and the topics into separate folders and compartments.  The problem with this mode of thinking is that one can't discuss the topics that interrelate together or the premises and assumptions that make up a given topic in a thread.

Example:  There are those who state the maxim that taxation is theft.  The underlying assumptions are that all forms of theft is immoral with no exceptions, morality comes from higher laws which are unchanging, and the thing that was stolen from you was yours in the first place.

Another Example:  Let's say I go into the store to buy water because I'm thirsty.  I can't wait or what not.  I go into the store and there is no attendant there.  The water costs maybe $1.50.  Let's say I have the money and more.   I go back out to my car b/c I remember I have an empty envelope floating about.  In my car, I decide to put $3.00 into the envelope and write a note stating what I did, apologizing for it and here is double the amount for your troubles.  More then likely, if the police saw me doing this I would still be charged with shoplifting.  If shoplifting means I took something without paying for it and I did pay then how did I shoplift?

If the topic of a thread is taxation is theft and I ask about these underlying assumptions no discussion of these things is allowed because of the compartmentalization.   But, you can't really talk about certain topics without discussion of others that coincide with this topic without being considered threadjacking or being a troll.   

Because you have a problem with employing subjects from across the universe.
Eg., your claim that is shoplifting is ludicrous, you would not be arrested and that scenario happens around the globe daily by an enumerable count.
Linking topics that have no correlation is a problem, this is not necessarily derailing, it's just dumb, do your own homework before linking two, three or 12 opposing topics together in a post, all you'll manage to do is piss off the person that started the subject.

It's not necessary to have your every question answered in a single thread, write them down, keep them to yourself and within reasonable time the answer comes to you in other ways . As Conservatives we hammer the idea of Critical Thought, ones ability to dissect any given issue based on certain parameters, including natural law and mans law, etiquette of social moors, or the fact is it morally acceptable.
There are several tools at ones disposal, they just need to learn to apply them equally.

In other words, ask your own questions of yourself, don't over think it, the first answer was probably the correct one, if you can't stay on the tracks, get the Hell off the tracks and become a bystander and watch and see if your questions get answered, if not, oh well, it wasn't that important anyway, and the answers will come in other forms later.

Quote from: Solar on November 04, 2018, 04:05:21 AM
Because you have a problem with employing subjects from across the universe.

:lol: :lol: Trust me my friend it sucks balls being me at times. It's like my brain is constantly on overdrive.  And, because of that I do end up missing the forest for the trees.  And, even if I try to come up with a way to stop I end up overthinking about how to stop overthinking.  I wish there was meds or an herb I can get for this.  Again, it sucks balls.

Quote from: alienhand on November 04, 2018, 09:05:15 AM
:lol: :lol: Trust me my friend it sucks balls being me at times. It's like my brain is constantly on overdrive.  And, because of that I do end up missing the forest for the trees.  And, even if I try to come up with a way to stop I end up overthinking about how to stop overthinking.  I wish there was meds or an herb I can get for this. Again, it sucks balls.

The Rx is called working for a living. 

Quote from: walkstall on November 04, 2018, 09:08:03 AM

The Rx is called working for a living.

Ok, are you willing to...

1.  hire me yourself and train me?

2.  teach me how to get a job and keep one and do all the things required including interview skills, resumes, keeping track of who I sent to or not, how to do a proper job search, how to interpret the personality questions properly?

3.  In other words are you willing to be my Henry Higgins? 

If you are not and we both know you're not then as I said accept that life is not fair, quit being a mod, shut up about socialism, pay your taxes and slog on.  Be consistent with your standards.  Don't apply to others which you won't apply to yourself.

AND, let's say you got rid of socialism tommorrow, I bet your ass you will see an increase in crime and more ppl in prison.  You're still paying for their three hots and a cot through your tax dollars.  People are going to do what they can to survive.   That's your natural law right there.

Quote from: alienhand on November 04, 2018, 09:05:15 AM
:lol: :lol: Trust me my friend it sucks balls being me at times. It's like my brain is constantly on overdrive.  And, because of that I do end up missing the forest for the trees.  And, even if I try to come up with a way to stop I end up overthinking about how to stop overthinking.  I wish there was meds or an herb I can get for this.  Again, it sucks balls.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Weed? Beer? Or get one of those spin wheels everyone is using for distractions.

Quote from: Solar on November 04, 2018, 10:32:36 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Weed? Beer? Or get one of those spin wheels everyone is using for distractions.

a fidget.  I made my own when I was younger with a pencil and ruler.

Quote from: alienhand on November 04, 2018, 10:27:00 AM
Ok, are you willing to...

1.  hire me yourself and train me?

2.  teach me how to get a job and keep one and do all the things required including interview skills, resumes, keeping track of who I sent to or not, how to do a proper job search, how to interpret the personality questions properly?

3.  In other words are you willing to be my Henry Higgins? 

If you are not and we both know you're not then as I said accept that life is not fair, quit being a mod, shut up about socialism, pay your taxes and slog on.  Be consistent with your standards.  Don't apply to others which you won't apply to yourself.

AND, let's say you got rid of socialism tommorrow, I bet your ass you will see an increase in crime and more ppl in prison.  You're still paying for their three hots and a cot through your tax dollars.  People are going to do what they can to survive.   That's your natural law right there.

Hell no!  Why should I?  You will not do anything for your own good.  Don't ask me to be your babysitter.  Remember your out to sell yourself not me make you into something a 15 year old could do.

I was in town this last Thursday and there were 22 places asking for help.  Four of the places were willing to train you for the job. 

Quote from: walkstall on November 04, 2018, 12:32:26 PM

Hell no!  Why should I?  You will not do anything for your own good.  Don't ask me to be your babysitter.  Remember your out to sell yourself not me make you into something a 15 year old could do.

I was in town this last Thursday and there were 22 places asking for help.  Four of the places were willing to train you for the job.

The Defense Rests!

Quote from: alienhand on November 04, 2018, 06:58:47 PM
The Defense Rests!

LOL  Like always on your ass at home.  Looking for your next government check. 

Quote from: walkstall on November 04, 2018, 07:41:14 PM

LOL  Like always on your ass at home.  Looking for your next government check.

I doubt this man is telling the truth.  He claims that 22 places are asking for help in a town he never names.  He also claims four of those places are willing to train.  In my area, one rarely sees a help wanted sign and I've been to other areas as well.  I rarely see a help wanted sign as employers do things online now.  What are the name of these jobs?  What are the requirements for these jobs?  Did this man sit there and count these jobs? Why would he do this and waste his time?  How many others really do this?   Something smells rotten in the State of Denmark.   What is the recidivism rate for these 22 jobs especially for the four jobs that require training? 

Walkstall and others make the claim that we all have abilities and disabilities, we all can cope, we all can cope and function.  Yes, it is true we have abilities and disabilities but what the people on here fail to grasp is the extent of one's abilities and disabilities and their functionality in our given world.  I know of an Autistic person who has cerebral palsy and who is non-verbal.  For the most part, all he does is grunts and rocks all day.  He is required to be in a wheel chair.  Yet, the people on here would claim he could cope and function.  No, he can't.  He literally can't even wipe his own ass.    How in the living fuck is he coping and functioning?  He's not. 

If one looks at the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  It breaks it out by age.  The proportion of those who are not disabled and employed is higher then those who are not disabled and not employed.  The proportion of those who are disabled and employed is lower then those who are disabled and employed.  In fact, the highest rating for those disabled is not in the labor force and the highest rating for those who are not disabled is employed.   The truth of the matter is if one is disabled one is more likely not to even be in the labor force at all.

The truth of the matter is this actually makes perfect sense.  Employers are going to hire those who will benefit their company.  If one is slower then average in mind and productivity you're less likely to be hired by an employer.  The reason being is they're going to want to maximize their profits.  To do that, they're going to either have to raise revenue or cut costs.  If you work slow b/c of motor coordination problems or of slow of mind to where they have to take more time to explain things more to you then the average employer you're cutting into their time and time is money.  In other words, if one is disabled one is more costly to one's employer.  And, employers can and do cut costs and they will cut you as a cost if you are not productive enough.

The truth of the matter is some people are simply to disabled for the workplace and to disabled to be on their home.   Some people do need to be put in group homes and institutions.  And, the truth is parents need to save up a dowry for these disabled kids just in case they can't be employed when they became disabled adults.  This was done for women who did not or could not get married as there was a point in our history in which women were limited in what they could do for themselves.   If I was not disabled and had a disabled child, either I would try to hire him myself and/or do the dowry thing.  And, that is because employers would not be able to accomodate their needs and I as a parent would understand their needs better and be able to accmodate them better.  And, those with disabilites are more likely to sue an employer if things go wrong.  So, they're a liability right there.

Quote from: alienhand on November 04, 2018, 07:54:35 PM
I doubt this man is telling the truth.  He claims that 22 places are asking for help in a town he never names.  He also claims four of those places are willing to train.  In my area, one rarely sees a help wanted sign and I've been to other areas as well.  I rarely see a help wanted sign as employers do things online now.  What are the name of these jobs?  What are the requirements for these jobs?  Did this man sit there and count these jobs? Why would he do this and waste his time?  How many others really do this?   Something smells rotten in the State of Denmark.   What is the recidivism rate for these 22 jobs especially for the four jobs that require training? 

Walkstall and others make the claim that we all have abilities and disabilities, we all can cope, we all can cope and function.  Yes, it is true we have abilities and disabilities but what the people on here fail to grasp is the extent of one's abilities and disabilities and their functionality in our given world.  I know of an Autistic person who has cerebral palsy and who is non-verbal.  For the most part, all he does is grunts and rocks all day.  He is required to be in a wheel chair.  Yet, the people on here would claim he could cope and function.  No, he can't.  He literally can't even wipe his own ass.    How in the living fuck is he coping and functioning?  He's not. 

If one looks at the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  It breaks it out by age.  The proportion of those who are not disabled and employed is higher then those who are not disabled and not employed.  The proportion of those who are disabled and employed is lower then those who are disabled and employed.  In fact, the highest rating for those disabled is not in the labor force and the highest rating for those who are not disabled is employed.   The truth of the matter is if one is disabled one is more likely not to even be in the labor force at all.

The truth of the matter is this actually makes perfect sense.  Employers are going to hire those who will benefit their company.  If one is slower then average in mind and productivity you're less likely to be hired by an employer.  The reason being is they're going to want to maximize their profits.  To do that, they're going to either have to raise revenue or cut costs.  If you work slow b/c of motor coordination problems or of slow of mind to where they have to take more time to explain things more to you then the average employer you're cutting into their time and time is money.  In other words, if one is disabled one is more costly to one's employer.  And, employers can and do cut costs and they will cut you as a cost if you are not productive enough.

Then move. I don't know where you live, but 80% of the business in my surrounding towns are seeking people to work, from mini marts to Home depot as well as all the mom and pop franchise stores.
And this is in Ca, where people and business are bailing on the socialist state. You may fare better in Texas than where you're stuck now.
You are proving you are your own worst enemy.

Quote from: alienhand on November 04, 2018, 07:54:35 PM
I doubt this man is telling the truth.  He claims that 22 places are asking for help in a town he never names.  He also claims four of those places are willing to train.  In my area, one rarely sees a help wanted sign and I've been to other areas as well.  I rarely see a help wanted sign as employers do things online now.  What are the name of these jobs?  What are the requirements for these jobs?  Did this man sit there and count these jobs? Why would he do this and waste his time?  How many others really do this?   Something smells rotten in the State of Denmark.   What is the recidivism rate for these 22 jobs especially for the four jobs that require training? 

Walkstall and others make the claim that we all have abilities and disabilities, we all can cope, we all can cope and function.  Yes, it is true we have abilities and disabilities but what the people on here fail to grasp is the extent of one's abilities and disabilities and their functionality in our given world.  I know of an Autistic person who has cerebral palsy and who is non-verbal.  For the most part, all he does is grunts and rocks all day.  He is required to be in a wheel chair.  Yet, the people on here would claim he could cope and function.  No, he can't.  He literally can't even wipe his own ass.    How in the living fuck is he coping and functioning?  He's not. 

If one looks at the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  It breaks it out by age.  The proportion of those who are not disabled and employed is higher then those who are not disabled and not employed.  The proportion of those who are disabled and employed is lower then those who are disabled and employed.  In fact, the highest rating for those disabled is not in the labor force and the highest rating for those who are not disabled is employed.   The truth of the matter is if one is disabled one is more likely not to even be in the labor force at all.

The truth of the matter is this actually makes perfect sense.  Employers are going to hire those who will benefit their company.  If one is slower then average in mind and productivity you're less likely to be hired by an employer.  The reason being is they're going to want to maximize their profits.  To do that, they're going to either have to raise revenue or cut costs.  If you work slow b/c of motor coordination problems or of slow of mind to where they have to take more time to explain things more to you then the average employer you're cutting into their time and time is money.  In other words, if one is disabled one is more costly to one's employer.  And, employers can and do cut costs and they will cut you as a cost if you are not productive enough.

The truth of the matter is some people are simply to disabled for the workplace and to disabled to be on their home.   Some people do need to be put in group homes and institutions.  And, the truth is parents need to save up a dowry for these disabled kids just in case they can't be employed when they became disabled adults.  This was done for women who did not or could not get married as there was a point in our history in which women were limited in what they could do for themselves.   If I was not disabled and had a disabled child, either I would try to hire him myself and/or do the dowry thing.  And, that is because employers would not be able to accomodate their needs and I as a parent would understand their needs better and be able to accmodate them better.  And, those with disabilites are more likely to sue an employer if things go wrong.  So, they're a liability right there.

I am not talking about others.  I am talking about you getting off your dead ass and work for a living.    Stop crying a river in almost every post.  There are jobs but you have to get off your dead ass, as there not coming to you.  And yes you will start at the bottom like other. 

Quote from: walkstall on November 04, 2018, 08:33:40 PM
I am not talking about others.  I am talking about you getting off your dead ass and work for a living.    Stop crying a river in almost every post.  There are jobs but you have to get off your dead ass, as there not coming to you.  And yes you will start at the bottom like other.

It isn't crying to tell the truth.  Especially, if the very truth I'm stating comes from employers themselves and free market capitalists themselves. 

Employers, CEOs, businessmen state similar things I have said on why they won't hire certain others.  Yet, they're considered paragons of virtue.  But, if I state the exact same thing I'm considered crying and whining.  Another contradiction of personal responsibility advocate values.   

Dear Parents of Autistic People and others with disabilities

It is time to start laying down some harsh truths!  No matter what you're told about faith and the whole believe in yourself thing your child has a high likelihood of needing supports for their rest of their lives.  Look up the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  A disabled person has a higher likelihood of not being in the labor force then being employed.  Look up the stats for persons with disabilities who are employed.  You will see that I'm wright.  If Carley is right then 75% - 85% of autistic people are unemployed.  https://the-art-of-autism.com/the-employment-shift-rethinking-autism-employment-initiatives/

But, here is the thing.  Unemployed means that they don't have a job and are either on unemployment benefits or are continuing to look for a job.  It doesn't count the ones not in the labor force or those who don't have a job and who quit looking or not looking at all.  Look again at the Bureau of Labor Statistics and you will see that the majority of those with disabilities are not in the labor force and it's broken down by age bracket and this rings true for all of the age brackets. 

It is with great saddness and great displeasure that your child is more then likely will be to disabled for the modern day workplace.  They will not be able to display the professionalism demanded of them.   Look at your child not from a loving mother's point of view or a father's point of view but strictly from the business professional point of view.   If you had a business would you hire a person who was like your child?   Especially, if you can find someone who is more productive, friendlier and outgoing then them?   If a person with your child's disability came in your front door looking for a job by you and he seemed slow in the head would you hire this person when you can hire someone who is faster then them?   I say no.  Now, why would you expect your child to be hired by others for anything at all?   You as a parent need to face these facts.  If your child has a disability more then likely they will still be a disabled adult and more then likely they won't be employable.  Yes, exceptions exist but do you really want to take that chance with your child's life and future?

My opinion is you need to save up for your child in the form of a dowry or get some kind of hedge fund.  And, you need to get them onto social security right then and there.  If they're higher functioning then teach them enough to where they can manage their own household if they have their own dowry or hedge fund.  If you are of lower income then you have no business having any kids.  The truth is we live in a society in which one is expected to help himself and work everything out himself.  Your disabled child may but the truth is if one looks at the stats more then likely they will not.  Parents, you need to face facts and cut out the faith and the wishing.  Your child is more then likely to disabled to succeed in this world today.  Now, you would probably say I'm being to negative.  What do you want?   A negative truth or a good sounding lie.  I think the truth is better.  Research the truth for yourselves. 

Sincerely,



An Autistic Person

P.S.  Before you say well what about IT or computers for autistics.  Thing is, even if I was excellent with computers and programming it doesn't mean one can make it in the industry.   

So I take it, you don't have places like this in your area?

http://morerehab.org/about-us/

Quote from: Solar on November 05, 2018, 03:22:50 AM
So I take it, you don't have places like this in your area?

http://morerehab.org/about-us/

It sounds like he has been well schooled in I can't do it, give me free stuff.

Quote from: walkstall on November 05, 2018, 03:38:52 AM

It sounds like he has been well schooled in I can't do it, give me free stuff.

Personal responsibility is no longer taught in schools. How did people ever make it in the past?
Oh yeah, they found the  answers all on their own. Or the church helped, yeah, those evil Christians, how dare they interfere with the govt.

Quote from: Solar on November 05, 2018, 04:20:48 AM
Personal responsibility is no longer taught in schools. How did people ever make it in the past?
Oh yeah, they found the  answers all on their own. Or the church helped, yeah, those evil Christians, how dare they interfere with the govt.

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Quote from: Solar on November 04, 2018, 08:05:59 PM
Then move. I don't know where you live, but 80% of the business in my surrounding towns are seeking people to work, from mini marts to Home depot as well as all the mom and pop franchise stores.
And this is in Ca, where people and business are bailing on the socialist state. You may fare better in Texas than where you're stuck now.
You are proving you are your own worst enemy.

When I am out in my town just about every business is hiring. It makes me think, if one is healthy and willing to work there is a job.

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 05, 2018, 05:17:53 AM
When I am out in my town just about every business is hiring. It makes me think, if one is healthy and willing to work there is a job.

Just putting out a flyer to mow lawns will get you more work than you can handle.
Anyone that wants to work in this economy can find it, if they can't, they better lower their expectations fast, or they'll never go anywhere in life.

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 05, 2018, 05:17:53 AM
When I am out in my town just about every business is hiring. It makes me think, if one is healthy and willing to work there is a job.

Healthy being the operative word.

Quote from: alienhand on November 05, 2018, 09:36:12 AM
Healthy being the operative word.

"Willing to work" being the operative words.   

Quote from: alienhand on November 05, 2018, 09:36:12 AM
Healthy being the operative word.

Until you quit hiding behind your disability you have no chance for success.

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 05, 2018, 11:31:36 AM
Until you quit hiding behind your disability you have no chance for success.

Bingo we have a winner.

Quote from: walkstall on November 05, 2018, 09:46:14 AM
"Willing to work" being the operative words.

Re-read what supsalemgr said.  He said if one is healthy and willing to work there is a job for them.  But, it's what he doesn't say but implies that says it all.  What he is implying by that comment here is that employers are not going to hire those they perceive to be unhealthy.   And, he is right.  Employers are not going to hire someone who is not healthy as everyone else.  Why would they?  Those who are unhealthy are more of a liability to employers then those who are healthy.

This isn't me hiding behind my disability.  You know what.  I'll take that back.  If hiding behind my disability means I'm telling the truth and using critical thought to get to the truth then yes I'm hiding behind my disability. Are employers for the most part willing to hire me if I'm willing to work?  More then likely, the answer is no.

Solar, I've been to programs like that with Voc Rehab.  I got nothing but the run-around.  And, if those programs were effective and they worked then why are the majority of those who are disabled no matter the age bracket not in the labor force?  Or are you Solar going to state that the Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn't count because it was developed by liberals with an agenda.  Come the fuck on dude.  Is that the only answer you guys have when anything contradicts what you guys state as the truth.  That it's apart of the liberal/socialist/marxist agenda.   You guys know what I'm stating is solid truth.  I know you guys know this.  Even with your own words like life is not fair and no one is guaranteed anything in life proves that you must accept what I state is truth. 

The real reason you guys will not accept what I say as truth is this.  And, it is two fold.  A.  What it comes down to is that you guys want life to be fair but be fair in your own way.  In other words, you don't want to feel like you're paying money through your tax dollars to those who do nothing.  You see this as unfair and it is very emotional for you guys.  B.  The concept of America and all the tenets and precepts is a religion to you.  It is what bellah calls a civic religion.  The constitution is a holy document and the founding fathers are the prophets.   And, the Washington monument and all of our buildings are sacred temples.  You guys are emotionally attached to the founding fathers and the antebellum period.  It is not reason, critical thought and logic that drives you guys but emotion.  Anyone who questions or challenges these things is considered unamerican or really unholy, heretic and apostate.  I am a heretic, unholy and an apostate in your eyes is what I am.

Quote from: alienhand on November 05, 2018, 07:47:40 PM
Re-read what supsalemgr said.  He said if one is healthy and willing to work there is a job for them.  But, it's what he doesn't say but implies that says it all.  What he is implying by that comment here is that employers are not going to hire those they perceive to be unhealthy.   And, he is right.  Employers are not going to hire someone who is not healthy as everyone else.  Why would they?  Those who are unhealthy are more of a liability to employers then those who are healthy.

This isn't me hiding behind my disability.  You know what.  I'll take that back.  If hiding behind my disability means I'm telling the truth and using critical thought to get to the truth then yes I'm hiding behind my disability. Are employers for the most part willing to hire me if I'm willing to work?  More then likely, the answer is no.

Solar, I've been to programs like that with Voc Rehab.  I got nothing but the run-around.  And, if those programs were effective and they worked then why are the majority of those who are disabled no matter the age bracket not in the labor force?  Or are you Solar going to state that the Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn't count because it was developed by liberals with an agenda.  Come the fuck on dude.  Is that the only answer you guys have when anything contradicts what you guys state as the truth.  That it's apart of the liberal/socialist/marxist agenda.   You guys know what I'm stating is solid truth.  I know you guys know this.  Even with your own words like life is not fair and no one is guaranteed anything in life proves that you must accept what I state is truth. 

The real reason you guys will not accept what I say as truth is this.  And, it is two fold.  A.  What it comes down to is that you guys want life to be fair but be fair in your own way.  In other words, you don't want to feel like you're paying money through your tax dollars to those who do nothing.  You see this as unfair and it is very emotional for you guys.  B.  The concept of America and all the tenets and precepts is a religion to you.  It is what bellah calls a civic religion.  The constitution is a holy document and the founding fathers are the prophets.   And, the Washington monument and all of our buildings are sacred temples.  You guys are emotionally attached to the founding fathers and the antebellum period.  It is not reason, critical thought and logic that drives you guys but emotion.  Anyone who questions or challenges these things is considered unamerican or really unholy, heretic and apostate.  I am a heretic, unholy and an apostate in your eyes is what I am.

Your full of SHIT!!  Get up off your ass and find a job.  You been on the gravy train all your life and you love it.  IF a Wet Back with an IQ of under 81 can get a job so can you.  Hell Walmart Greeter salaries can range from $8 - $15 and Greeter salaries at The Home Depot can range from $8 - $14.   Are these jobs beneath you?

Quote from: walkstall on November 05, 2018, 08:07:21 PM

Your full of SHIT!!  Get up off your ass and find a job.  You been on the gravy train all your life and you love it.  IF a Wet Back with an IQ of under 81 can get a job so can you.  Hell Walmart Greeter salaries can range from $8 - $15 and Greeter salaries at The Home Depot can range from $8 - $14.   Are these jobs beneath you?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I concur.

Quote from: walkstall on November 05, 2018, 08:07:21 PM

Your full of SHIT!!  Get up off your ass and find a job.  You been on the gravy train all your life and you love it.  IF a Wet Back with an IQ of under 81 can get a job so can you.  Hell Walmart Greeter salaries can range from $8 - $15 and Greeter salaries at The Home Depot can range from $8 - $14.   Are these jobs beneath you?

Why such anger Walkstall and vitriol?  Why do you, Solar and others care whether I compete or not?  In fact, wouldn't it be better if I dropped out of the game completely because it would mean less people for you to compete with?  You are still able to make it and provide yourself a living?  You're able to succeed and even have friends.   So, why does my dropping out anger you and others so much.

It's because you and others feel it is unfair to be forced by the government to pay through your tax dollars to provide me a living.  This is how you perceive it and your sense of justice and fairness decries this as outrage. 

It is also because if you accepted that I'm truthfully right then you and others would have to question what you all accept as truth.  You are all attached to America not as a country but as a religion.  Our society says that anyone can work hard and be successful no matter the circumstances.  It's the American Dream.  You all are attached to this dream and anyone who questions or challenges it is seen as unAmerican heretic.  I'm a heretic in your eyes.

But the truth of the matter is that it is factually true that life is not fair and no one is guaranteed anything.   This means that not everyone will succeed in the USA at all and you and others would have to accept that your sacred cow of personal responsibility is bullshit because choice is a myth in world of limits.

The truth is the attachment to what you state as truth is what helps to shape your identities.  It fundamentally helps to shape who you are as individuals who are a part of your communities.   Everyone is who they are by their thoughts and truths and once one starts to question underlying assumptions one destroys who they are. 

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walkstall makes a good point. Get up and get a job. I'm only twenty years old but I have managed to find work. I had to humble myself and get jobs I didn't want since I was fifteen, but now I am in the process of getting a paid internship at a local news organization, something I've wanted for years.

Myself, suffering from disabilities such as bipolar disorder, things can be hard sometimes if my medication is thrown out of whack or I hit a depressive state. But I don't sit at home all day and cry about it.

The best thing that happened to me was my parents kicking me out. It forced me to work for things I want and put in extra effort to build a good life for myself. It was the worst kick in the faces, but I was put into a position where I was either going to succeed or fail. Now I am financially independent.

I find it more than disgusting people bitch and complain about this kind of stuff when there's more than enough jobs to meet the masses.

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 06, 2018, 05:31:56 AM
walkstall makes a good point. Get up and get a job. I'm only twenty years old but I have managed to find work. I had to humble myself and get jobs I didn't want since I was fifteen, but now I am in the process of getting a paid internship at a local news organization, something I've wanted for years.

Myself, suffering from disabilities such as bipolar disorder, things can be hard sometimes if my medication is thrown out of whack or I hit a depressive state. But I don't sit at home all day and cry about it.

The best thing that happened to me was my parents kicking me out. It forced me to work for things I want and put in extra effort to build a good life for myself. It was the worst kick in the faces, but I was put into a position where I was either going to succeed or fail. Now I am financially independent.

I find it more than disgusting people bitch and complain about this kind of stuff when there's more than enough jobs to meet the masses.

Congrats Con, you make the point we've been making all along, just get out and do it.
Today is the day to take the plunge, next week, next year even next decade will be way too late, because the longer someone puts off entering the job market, the better the chance they never will.

Are these jobs beneath you?

I've been asked this question by others as well and I've heard others being asked this question.  I think it is time to put forth an answer.  Before I answer this question I consider part of the actual job is going through the process of obtaining one.   For me, it isn't just my having the ability to do the actual job but it is the process of going through the steps to obtain the job including to but not limited to interviews, resumes, filling out job applications,  and personality tests.  And, let's not forget the workplace environment as well. 

So the answer to Walkstall's question is this.  There are jobs that are beneath me.  The jobs that are beneath me are as follows.

a.  The jobs that I physically and mentally cannot do.   It is beneath me to waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply for jobs I can't physically and mentally do anyway because employers deserve good employees who can do the jobs effectively and efficiently. 

b.  The jobs that require me to work in a high pressured environment.  It is beneath me to even waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply to jobs that I can do but work in an environment that I can't handle due to slowness of mind and inability to think on my feet.  It is beneath me to be inconsiderate to those in that environment who would have to pick up my slack because I work to slow and I have slowness of mind.

c.  The jobs that in order to obtain them one has to either lie in different ways like bald face lying, lying by omission, lying through exaggeration and other kinds of lies.  One example is the question of :"why do you want to work here" or "why do you want this job?"  The truth is it is socially unacceptable to give an honest and truthful answer.  My natural off the cuff answer would be is that I don't want to be here and do this job but I'm here because I have to provide myself a livelyhood and start somewhere.  If I had it my way I would be at home reading fanfic, writing fanfic, playing games and watching TV. This sort of answer would be unacceptable so one is forced to lie and pretend that he desires to work there and it is the best thing since sliced bread.  Almost all jobs require one to answer this sort of question.    This is just one example.  Another example is one has to show he wants to be there through fake non-verbal facial expressions like smiling, eye contact, lively tone, etc.  In other words, resting bitch or asshole face is unacceptable.  And, one has to shake hands whether one feels comfortable with it or not.  I do it but I fucking hate it.  I hate touching most people and I hate when most touch me. 

Any job that requires me to do things I can't physically or mentally can't do and waste the employer's time and resources is beneath me.  Any job that requires me to work in an environment I can't do or handle due to my aspergers and/or personality type is beneath me whether I can or can't do the technical requirements of the job.  And, that is because it is beneath me to waste my employers time and cause issues with my co-workers and stress them out due to my problems, personality type and autistic proclivities. 

One quote says "If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch" which is very fitting.   It is beneath me to run with the big dawgs if I am unable to run with them due to who and what I am both in autism and personality and if one is forced to tell all kinds of lies and exaggerations just to run with them including but not limited to pretending to have the ability and desire to run with them when one really does not have the ability and desire to run with them. 

It is beneath me to be in a situation in which it is heads one loses and tails one loses due to the social standards of our society.   

Quote from: alienhand on November 06, 2018, 08:25:05 PM
Are these jobs beneath you?

I've been asked this question by others as well and I've heard others being asked this question.  I think it is time to put forth an answer.  Before I answer this question I consider part of the actual job is going through the process of obtaining one.   For me, it isn't just my having the ability to do the actual job but it is the process of going through the steps to obtain the job including to but not limited to interviews, resumes, filling out job applications,  and personality tests.  And, let's not forget the workplace environment as well. 

So the answer to Walkstall's question is this.  There are jobs that are beneath me.  The jobs that are beneath me are as follows.

a.  The jobs that I physically and mentally cannot do.   It is beneath me to waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply for jobs I can't physically and mentally do anyway because employers deserve good employees who can do the jobs effectively and efficiently. 

b.  The jobs that require me to work in a high pressured environment.  It is beneath me to even waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply to jobs that I can do but work in an environment that I can't handle due to slowness of mind and inability to think on my feet.  It is beneath me to be inconsiderate to those in that environment who would have to pick up my slack because I work to slow and I have slowness of mind.

c.  The jobs that in order to obtain them one has to either lie in different ways like bald face lying, lying by omission, lying through exaggeration and other kinds of lies.  One example is the question of :"why do you want to work here" or "why do you want this job?"  The truth is it is socially unacceptable to give an honest and truthful answer.  My natural off the cuff answer would be is that I don't want to be here and do this job but I'm here because I have to provide myself a livelyhood and start somewhere.  If I had it my way I would be at home reading fanfic, writing fanfic, playing games and watching TV. This sort of answer would be unacceptable so one is forced to lie and pretend that he desires to work there and it is the best thing since sliced bread.  Almost all jobs require one to answer this sort of question.    This is just one example.  Another example is one has to show he wants to be there through fake non-verbal facial expressions like smiling, eye contact, lively tone, etc.  In other words, resting bitch or asshole face is unacceptable.  And, one has to shake hands whether one feels comfortable with it or not.  I do it but I fucking hate it.  I hate touching most people and I hate when most touch me. 

Any job that requires me to do things I can't physically or mentally can't do and waste the employer's time and resources is beneath me.  Any job that requires me to work in an environment I can't do or handle due to my aspergers and/or personality type is beneath me whether I can or can't do the technical requirements of the job.  And, that is because it is beneath me to waste my employers time and cause issues with my co-workers and stress them out due to my problems, personality type and autistic proclivities. 

One quote says "If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch" which is very fitting.   It is beneath me to run with the big dawgs if I am unable to run with them due to who and what I am both in autism and personality and if one is forced to tell all kinds of lies and exaggerations just to run with them including but not limited to pretending to have the ability and desire to run with them when one really does not have the ability and desire to run with them. 

It is beneath me to be in a situation in which it is heads one loses and tails one loses due to the social standards of our society.

Wow, talk about a cop out! You have created an excuse for every job out there. Restaurant owners started at busting tables, virtually every business owner out there started at the bottom, the entry level, but they saw a challenge and new they could do it better.
You just gave yourself an out in not having to start, anywhere!

I get it, your view of life is through that of a prism, or cracked mirror, while the rest of us see one image, you see more and have to decide which one is right.
Well, I've got news for you, we all do that, and most of the time we simply guess and hope we're right.
Your problem is you're just scared to make a decision because you might make a mistake. Coward!

It's not the work that bothers you, it's the process of obtaining a job. You've never worked a day in your life, and the idea of your world changing scares the shit out of you.
Go ahead, be a coward, sit in misery the rest of your life complaining about how hard it is while the rest of life blows by you.
How many more years are you going to dream of independence?

I'm curious, is there any job you're capable of doing? And I don't mean perfectly, I mean getting by like the rest of the miserable saps doing it.
Point is, employers would love to have someone that finds the job challenging over those that hate it, those that see a challenge in monotonous work are keepers, they show others what it means to find simple joy in accomplishing menial tasks, rather than dreading the task at hand, the person that finds challenge tends to take pride in every task because that's another achievement.
Walmart, Homedespot, Kwikstop, too name a few sees the value in the handicapped which is why they hire them, and here we are coming up on Christmas, they're dying for people like you.

Your choice, get a job or be a waste to society.

Quote from: alienhand on November 06, 2018, 08:25:05 PM
Are these jobs beneath you?

I've been asked this question by others as well and I've heard others being asked this question.  I think it is time to put forth an answer.  Before I answer this question I consider part of the actual job is going through the process of obtaining one.   For me, it isn't just my having the ability to do the actual job but it is the process of going through the steps to obtain the job including to but not limited to interviews, resumes, filling out job applications,  and personality tests.  And, let's not forget the workplace environment as well. 

So the answer to Walkstall's question is this.  There are jobs that are beneath me.  The jobs that are beneath me are as follows.

a.  The jobs that I physically and mentally cannot do.   It is beneath me to waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply for jobs I can't physically and mentally do anyway because employers deserve good employees who can do the jobs effectively and efficiently. 

b.  The jobs that require me to work in a high pressured environment.  It is beneath me to even waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply to jobs that I can do but work in an environment that I can't handle due to slowness of mind and inability to think on my feet.  It is beneath me to be inconsiderate to those in that environment who would have to pick up my slack because I work to slow and I have slowness of mind.

c.  The jobs that in order to obtain them one has to either lie in different ways like bald face lying, lying by omission, lying through exaggeration and other kinds of lies.  One example is the question of :"why do you want to work here" or "why do you want this job?"  The truth is it is socially unacceptable to give an honest and truthful answer.  My natural off the cuff answer would be is that I don't want to be here and do this job but I'm here because I have to provide myself a livelyhood and start somewhere.  If I had it my way I would be at home reading fanfic, writing fanfic, playing games and watching TV. This sort of answer would be unacceptable so one is forced to lie and pretend that he desires to work there and it is the best thing since sliced bread.  Almost all jobs require one to answer this sort of question.    This is just one example.  Another example is one has to show he wants to be there through fake non-verbal facial expressions like smiling, eye contact, lively tone, etc.  In other words, resting bitch or asshole face is unacceptable.  And, one has to shake hands whether one feels comfortable with it or not.  I do it but I fucking hate it.  I hate touching most people and I hate when most touch me. 

Any job that requires me to do things I can't physically or mentally can't do and waste the employer's time and resources is beneath me.  Any job that requires me to work in an environment I can't do or handle due to my aspergers and/or personality type is beneath me whether I can or can't do the technical requirements of the job.  And, that is because it is beneath me to waste my employers time and cause issues with my co-workers and stress them out due to my problems, personality type and autistic proclivities. 

One quote says "If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch" which is very fitting.   It is beneath me to run with the big dawgs if I am unable to run with them due to who and what I am both in autism and personality and if one is forced to tell all kinds of lies and exaggerations just to run with them including but not limited to pretending to have the ability and desire to run with them when one really does not have the ability and desire to run with them. 

It is beneath me to be in a situation in which it is heads one loses and tails one loses due to the social standards of our society.

Have you tried at a car wash?

Quote from: alienhand on November 06, 2018, 08:25:05 PM
Are these jobs beneath you?

I've been asked this question by others as well and I've heard others being asked this question.  I think it is time to put forth an answer.  Before I answer this question I consider part of the actual job is going through the process of obtaining one.   For me, it isn't just my having the ability to do the actual job but it is the process of going through the steps to obtain the job including to but not limited to interviews, resumes, filling out job applications,  and personality tests.  And, let's not forget the workplace environment as well. 

So the answer to Walkstall's question is this.  There are jobs that are beneath me.  The jobs that are beneath me are as follows.

a.  The jobs that I physically and mentally cannot do.   It is beneath me to waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply for jobs I can't physically and mentally do anyway because employers deserve good employees who can do the jobs effectively and efficiently. 

b.  The jobs that require me to work in a high pressured environment.  It is beneath me to even waste an employers time, energy and resources to even bother to apply to jobs that I can do but work in an environment that I can't handle due to slowness of mind and inability to think on my feet.  It is beneath me to be inconsiderate to those in that environment who would have to pick up my slack because I work to slow and I have slowness of mind.

c.  The jobs that in order to obtain them one has to either lie in different ways like bald face lying, lying by omission, lying through exaggeration and other kinds of lies.  One example is the question of :"why do you want to work here" or "why do you want this job?"  The truth is it is socially unacceptable to give an honest and truthful answer.  My natural off the cuff answer would be is that I don't want to be here and do this job but I'm here because I have to provide myself a livelyhood and start somewhere.  If I had it my way I would be at home reading fanfic, writing fanfic, playing games and watching TV. This sort of answer would be unacceptable so one is forced to lie and pretend that he desires to work there and it is the best thing since sliced bread.  Almost all jobs require one to answer this sort of question.    This is just one example.  Another example is one has to show he wants to be there through fake non-verbal facial expressions like smiling, eye contact, lively tone, etc.  In other words, resting bitch or asshole face is unacceptable.  And, one has to shake hands whether one feels comfortable with it or not.  I do it but I fucking hate it.  I hate touching most people and I hate when most touch me. 

Any job that requires me to do things I can't physically or mentally can't do and waste the employer's time and resources is beneath me.  Any job that requires me to work in an environment I can't do or handle due to my aspergers and/or personality type is beneath me whether I can or can't do the technical requirements of the job.  And, that is because it is beneath me to waste my employers time and cause issues with my co-workers and stress them out due to my problems, personality type and autistic proclivities. 

One quote says "If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch" which is very fitting.   It is beneath me to run with the big dawgs if I am unable to run with them due to who and what I am both in autism and personality and if one is forced to tell all kinds of lies and exaggerations just to run with them including but not limited to pretending to have the ability and desire to run with them when one really does not have the ability and desire to run with them. 

It is beneath me to be in a situation in which it is heads one loses and tails one loses due to the social standards of our society.   

Seems like you've come up with every excuse in the book. I absolutley hate the fact that you use disabilities as a cop out. While I do not know your disability or what you struggle with, I am almost possitive that there are people who are far more disabeled who have obtained and been able to mantain employment. It may not be as the CEO of a company, but at least they put forth an effort and they get a job. A friend of mine suffers from schizofrania. Since she was seventeen she's struggeled greatly with it, disabling her from aquiring any job. YEt with hard work on HERSELF and the help of people in her freidn group nd doctors she now works for an ad agency in New York City.

If you go into life wth your mindset have fun being homeless. Sometimes you have to get jobs you don't want to get. Every single person has had to do that.

Solar makes an amazing point."Restaurant owners started at busting tables, virtually every business owner out there started at the bottom, the entry level, but they saw a challenge and new they could do it better.
You just gave yourself an out in not having to start, anywhere!" You can't simply expect to start at the top. You have to put in work.

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 07, 2018, 07:01:25 AM
Seems like you've come up with every excuse in the book. I absolutley hate the fact that you use disabilities as a cop out. While I do not know your disability or what you struggle with, I am almost possitive that there are people who are far more disabeled who have obtained and been able to mantain employment. It may not be as the CEO of a company, but at least they put forth an effort and they get a job. A friend of mine suffers from schizofrania. Since she was seventeen she's struggeled greatly with it, disabling her from aquiring any job. YEt with hard work on HERSELF and the help of people in her freidn group nd doctors she now works for an ad agency in New York City.

If you go into life wth your mindset have fun being homeless. Sometimes you have to get jobs you don't want to get. Every single person has had to do that.

Solar makes an amazing point."Restaurant owners started at busting tables, virtually every business owner out there started at the bottom, the entry level, but they saw a challenge and new they could do it better.
You just gave yourself an out in not having to start, anywhere!" You can't simply expect to start at the top. You have to put in work.

Yep, even sorting plastic at a recycling plant can be a great paying job.

Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM
Wow, talk about a cop out! You have created an excuse for every job out there. Restaurant owners started at busting tables, virtually every business owner out there started at the bottom, the entry level, but they saw a challenge and new they could do it better.

Let's use the dictionary that is acceptable to you.  And let's look up the word excuse.  http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/excuse

I think definition number 7 is the best one for our context.  7. To justify; to vindicate. 

First, everyone has a justification or reason behind doing something.  Two, the real question is one's justification valid and based in truth and reason.  I say that it is.

a. The stats on the Bureau of Labor Statistics back me up.

b.  It is true that I've had some successes here and there but one has to look at the overall outcome of myself which I will not get into here.  I would have to state the jobs I've had individually and the surrounding context behind those.  This would take pages upon pages to even explain.  One example I can give is I did do work for a welder.  I painted a brick wall.   I sucked at it.  I went to slow, kept missing spots and kept painting in areas I should not have painted.  Same issues I had when coloring.  I literally could not stay within the lines.  And, that's only scratching the surface.  In other words, my own experiences including this one back me up.

c.  Others have had similar experiences to me as well.  You can go on Wrongplanet.net and other autism sites and see some of the issues the bulk of them have. 

d.  The requirements employers require outside of one's technical ability including but not limited to the social aspect.  And, not just to work but to go through the process of OBTAINING Work.  With this said, the jobs I did have I didn't get through on my own.  I was simply in the right place at the right time.   

Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM
You just gave yourself an out in not having to start, anywhere!

Did I truthfully not start or did I start long ago and crashed and burned because I encountered a series of issues I could not process through and didn't know how to specifically handle them. 

Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM
I get it, your view of life is through that of a prism, or cracked mirror, while the rest of us see one image, you see more and have to decide which one is right.

That I do. 

Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM
Well, I've got news for you, we all do that, and most of the time we simply guess and hope we're right.

Which means that some people make it and some do not.  Let's get down to it.  Let's tell this truth then instead of spreading the false notion that anyone and everyone can achieve the american dream if they work hard and set their mind to it.  This idea is a lie.   Why can't you admit to this truth?

Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM
Your problem is you're just scared to make a decision because you might make a mistake. Coward!

Let's attack my arguments, my reasoning and my logic and let's use some critical thought instead of attacking my character.

Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM
It's not the work that bothers you, it's the process of obtaining a job. You've never worked a day in your life, and the idea of your world changing scares the shit out of you.

a.  I've had jobs.  This part of what you said is false.

b.  This isn't my world.  I don't have a world.  I only have a perception and/or a fraction of an understanding of our world.  We live in THE world.

c.  I'm Autistic.   This is one of the core components of Autism.  It is extreme difficulty with change especially with change I have no control over, forced to be an active participant in and change that happens out of the blue in which one has to make instantaneous decisions. 

Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM
Go ahead, be a coward, sit in misery the rest of your life complaining about how hard it is while the rest of life blows by you.

Again, Let's attack my arguments, my reasoning and my logic and let's use some critical thought instead of attacking my character.

Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM
How many more years are you going to dream of independence?

Well, why do dreams matter?   But, what you're really asking under certain assumptions that I don't accept as true and I've explained to you in logical terms is when will I get off my ass and do something.  When will I help myself.  One, I don't believe one has as much control over one's destiny as one thinks.  We live in a world of probabilities and possibilities.  If parallel universes exist right alongside of us then there is a parallel version of me who did achieve success.  And, there is a universe in which a "me" does not exist.  The answer to your question is that all possibilities that could possibly be true are true and if the amount of possibilities is X then the amount of times I did manage to succeed and somehow I did find a way to get off my ass as you, walkstall and others call it is in the subset of X which we will call A.  So, to answer your question imagine all possibilities of the set of A. 

Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM
I'm curious, is there any job you're capable of doing? And I don't mean perfectly, I mean getting by like the rest of the miserable saps doing it.

I don't understand the question.   I don't understand how the rest of the miserable saps think and get by so there is not enough data to give you a meaningful response as the different computers stated through their various iterations in the essay by Issac Asimov called "The Last Question."  I can tell you from my perspective that the miserable saps have innate knowledge and instincts I don't have similar to the beating of a heart.

Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM
Point is, employers would love to have someone that finds the job challenging over those that hate it, those that see a challenge in monotonous work are keepers, they show others what it means to find simple joy in accomplishing menial tasks, rather than dreading the task at hand, the person that finds challenge tends to take pride in every task because that's another achievement.

I will do what needs to be done.  I've cleaned up shit.  I've taken out the trash etc, etc, etc.  At Kroger when I did work there, I had to kill a slew of cockroaches with bug spray and spend the next hour past my shift cleaning it.  I didn't mind doing that.  But, did I get joy out of doing that, bagging groceries, and taking out the trash and cleaning up shit.   HELL FUCKING NO!  I HATED EVERY FUCKING MINUTE OF IT!  I did it anyway because it was required of me and needed to be done.  I did it.   I would do it again.  But, the requirement is to get joy out of it as well and display joy when I don't feel joy?  What if I do not feel joy?  Then I have to pretend I do.  Which means, I'm forced to be dishonest while at the same time accepting being told that honesty is the best policy.  I'm being forced into double-think.  Is honesty the best policy, yes or no?  Can I be myself, yes or no? 

Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM
Walmart, Homedespot, Kwikstop, too name a few sees the value in the handicapped which is why they hire them, and here we are coming up on Christmas, they're dying for people like you.

In the times I lived here and have been to other places in the USA I've only seen two people who were obviously handicapped and that was at Publix.  One was in a wheelchair and another was obviously mentally handicapped somehow.  The other employees at Publix wanted both of them gone especially the one with the mental handicap.  Another thing, just because they say they're accepting those with disabilities doesn't mean they actually really are.  My experience is that it is a dog and pony show.  I believe you and if it was really true then the Bureau of Labor Statistics and my compadres would be telling a different story.  And, more then likely my experiences would be different then what it is today. 

Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2018, 04:24:17 AM
Your choice, get a job or be a waste to society.

Why does it have to be black and white either or.  Why can't one contribute to society in other ways?   Who says one even has a choice in all aspects of life?  If I have choice then don't do others have choices as well and don't their choices affect what choices I have and the understanding of the choices I do have?  And, in this set of two choices you gave which excludes the middle why can't one choose neither?   Didn't all the people who commit suicide over the ages choose neither?   Again, you labor under a set of premises that you assume to be true.  I don't accept them to be true because the world, life and existence is much more complex then that. 

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 07, 2018, 07:01:25 AM
Seems like you've come up with every excuse in the book. I absolutley hate the fact that you use disabilities as a cop out. While I do not know your disability or what you struggle with, I am almost possitive that there are people who are far more disabeled who have obtained and been able to mantain employment. It may not be as the CEO of a company, but at least they put forth an effort and they get a job. A friend of mine suffers from schizofrania. Since she was seventeen she's struggeled greatly with it, disabling her from aquiring any job. YEt with hard work on HERSELF and the help of people in her freidn group nd doctors she now works for an ad agency in New York City.

If you go into life wth your mindset have fun being homeless. Sometimes you have to get jobs you don't want to get. Every single person has had to do that.

Solar makes an amazing point."Restaurant owners started at busting tables, virtually every business owner out there started at the bottom, the entry level, but they saw a challenge and new they could do it better.
You just gave yourself an out in not having to start, anywhere!" You can't simply expect to start at the top. You have to put in work.

My disability is Autism. 

As for excuses refer to what I said to Solar.

I don't care about being the CEO nor do I wish to be a CEO.

As for her schitzophrenia.  She sounds like she had a lot of support and the right kind.  I'm not receiving it.

It isn't just doing the job which is a major factor but the process of obtaining one. 

As for busting tables.  Doing the things they do require excellent motor coordination skills with a quickness of speed I don't have.  The way they carry the food and drink I would not be able to physically do.  Again, the process of obtaining the job is difficult for me especially with the personality tests the interviews.   I don't  understand the structure of these tests  and some of the questions on said tests.  The very structure of these tests make no sense.  We have Strongly Agree, Somewhat Agree, Neutral, Somewhat Disagree and Strongly Disagree.  The problem is even if I strongly agree then which can imply 99% agreement then logically I must somewhat disagree or have 1% disagreement.  Let's say we have jelly beans in a jar and there are 100 of them.  99 of them are red.  One is blue.  If 99 of them are red and one is blue then not all of them are red so some must be not red. 

In a given logical set, if x is a subset of b and not everything in the set of b is the set of a then some members of the set of b must logically be ~a.    If only some are a then some must be ~a.  This is one reason out of many I have such problems with the process of becoming employed.  Tests such as this. 

As for doing a car wash.   Again, the process of obtaining a car wash job comes up.   Even, if I did the car wash again I have motor coordination problems so my pace will be slower then others.   

Starting at the bottom.  I have no idea what it means.   Where is the bottom exactly?  Is college the bottom?  Is scrubbing toilets the bottom?  If scrubbing toilets is the bottom, then what?  All you're giving me is a retarded bumper sticker slogan that means jack shit to me.

What do you mean by seeing a challenge?  Are you saying to take the initiative?  What are my boundaries exactly?  How do I know what I'm allowed to do or not do?

You, Solar and others state in no uncertain terms that it's socially unacceptable to make excuses or justifications.  Ok, so what specially can I do exactly deal with the issues I've described so far? 

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Quote from: alienhand on November 07, 2018, 09:55:46 PM
Let's use the dictionary that is acceptable to you.  And let's look up the word excuse.  http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/excuse

I think definition number 7 is the best one for our context.  7. To justify; to vindicate. 

First, everyone has a justification or reason behind doing something.  Two, the real question is one's justification valid and based in truth and reason.  I say that it is.

Problem is, you aren't doing, you have a justification for not even trying.

Quotea. The stats on the Bureau of Labor Statistics back me up.

b.  It is true that I've had some successes here and there but one has to look at the overall outcome of myself which I will not get into here.  I would have to state the jobs I've had individually and the surrounding context behind those.  This would take pages upon pages to even explain.  One example I can give is I did do work for a welder.  I painted a brick wall.   I sucked at it.  I went to slow, kept missing spots and kept painting in areas I should not have painted.  Same issues I had when coloring.  I literally could not stay within the lines.  And, that's only scratching the surface.  In other words, my own experiences including this one back me up.

c.  Others have had similar experiences to me as well.  You can go on Wrongplanet.net and other autism sites and see some of the issues the bulk of them have. 

d.  The requirements employers require outside of one's technical ability including but not limited to the social aspect.  And, not just to work but to go through the process of OBTAINING Work.  With this said, the jobs I did have I didn't get through on my own.  I was simply in the right place at the right time.   


Did I truthfully not start or did I start long ago and crashed and burned because I encountered a series of issues I could not process through and didn't know how to specifically handle them. 

That I do. 

If you putt even one tenth of this effort into getting a job, you'd be working tomorrow.
Can  you clear the table after you're done eating? Then you're qualified too buss tables.

QuoteWhich means that some people make it and some do not.  Let's get down to it.  Let's tell this truth then instead of spreading the false notion that anyone and everyone can achieve the american dream if they work hard and set their mind to it.  This idea is a lie.   Why can't you admit to this truth?

Total bullshit! You set your sights too fuckin high, and certain jobs appears to be beneath you.

QuoteLet's attack my arguments, my reasoning and my logic and let's use some critical thought instead of attacking my character.

I am, but your character goes straight back to more excuses.

Quotea.  I've had jobs.  This part of what you said is false.

Annnnnd? I've had thousands of job=s in my lifetime, but had I quit after a few failures, I'd be just like you, self loathing, self pity and still trying to justify why I can't see to find a job where everyone caters to my demands.

Quoteb.  This isn't my world.  I don't have a world.  I only have a perception and/or a fraction of an understanding of our world.  We live in THE world.

So you've been told. Can you sweep a floor, mop, vacuum, wipe off desks? Then you qualify as a night janitor, even day in some places. All they ask is that you show up on time, and guess what, the Federal govt has programs specially designed to accommodate people just like you.

Quotec.  I'm Autistic.   This is one of the core components of Autism.  It is extreme difficulty with change especially with change I have no control over, forced to be an active participant in and change that happens out of the blue in which one has to make instantaneous decisions.

So you're perfect for a janitorial job, one that has a set parameter that virtually never changes.

QuoteAgain, Let's attack my arguments, my reasoning and my logic and let's use some critical thought instead of attacking my character.

They're inseparable!

QuoteWell, why do dreams matter?   But, what you're really asking under certain assumptions that I don't accept as true and I've explained to you in logical terms is when will I get off my ass and do something.  When will I help myself.  One, I don't believe one has as much control over one's destiny as one thinks.  We live in a world of probabilities and possibilities.  If parallel universes exist right alongside of us then there is a parallel version of me who did achieve success.  And, there is a universe in which a "me" does not exist.  The answer to your question is that all possibilities that could possibly be true are true and if the amount of possibilities is X then the amount of times I did manage to succeed and somehow I did find a way to get off my ass as you, walkstall and others call it is in the subset of X which we will call A.  So, to answer your question imagine all possibilities of the set of A. 

I don't understand the question.   I don't understand how the rest of the miserable saps think and get by so there is not enough data to give you a meaningful response as the different computers stated through their various iterations in the essay by Issac Asimov called "The Last Question."  I can tell you from my perspective that the miserable saps have innate knowledge and instincts I don't have similar to the beating of a heart.

I will do what needs to be done.  I've cleaned up shit.  I've taken out the trash etc, etc, etc.  At Kroger when I did work there, I had to kill a slew of cockroaches with bug spray and spend the next hour past my shift cleaning it.  I didn't mind doing that.  But, did I get joy out of doing that, bagging groceries, and taking out the trash and cleaning up shit.   HELL FUCKING NO!  I HATED EVERY FUCKING MINUTE OF IT!  I did it anyway because it was required of me and needed to be done.  I did it.   I would do it again.  But, the requirement is to get joy out of it as well and display joy when I don't feel joy?  What if I do not feel joy?  Then I have to pretend I do.  Which means, I'm forced to be dishonest while at the same time accepting being told that honesty is the best policy.  I'm being forced into double-think.  Is honesty the best policy, yes or no?  Can I be myself, yes or no? 

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Wait, you had a job that you actually hated? Welcome to reality, If I liked any of the jobs I ever worked, I wouldn't have quit, but truth be known, I fuckin hated them all, that's why I quit, they sucked, that's why I went into business for myself, everyone is an idiot!
Not true, I just got sick to death of people so I started my own company.

QuoteIn the times I lived here and have been to other places in the USA I've only seen two people who were obviously handicapped and that was at Publix.  One was in a wheelchair and another was obviously mentally handicapped somehow.  The other employees at Publix wanted both of them gone especially the one with the mental handicap.  Another thing, just because they say they're accepting those with disabilities doesn't mean they actually really are.  My experience is that it is a dog and pony show.  I believe you and if it was really true then the Bureau of Labor Statistics and my compadres would be telling a different story.  And, more then likely my experiences would be different then what it is today. 

Why does it have to be black and white either or.  Why can't one contribute to society in other ways?   Who says one even has a choice in all aspects of life?  If I have choice then don't do others have choices as well and don't their choices affect what choices I have and the understanding of the choices I do have?  And, in this set of two choices you gave which excludes the middle why can't one choose neither?   Didn't all the people who commit suicide over the ages choose neither?   Again, you labor under a set of premises that you assume to be true.  I don't accept them to be true because the world, life and existence is much more complex then that.

Fuck society! This is about you and what you want out of life, screw what others think of you, tell them to SHTFU, they are no better or different than you, they attack you to make themselves "Feel" superior, otherwise they'd simply avoid you altogether.
Keep in mind, they chose a deadened job, you on the other hand just want independence, insulting you is what weak minded people do, liberals, if you will.
I'll bet if you were to ask everyone on this forum, that each and everyone of them did jobs they absolutely despised, but did it in hopes of moving up the ladder to something better.

Quote from: alienhand on November 07, 2018, 10:18:15 PM
My disability is Autism... As for her schizophrenia.  She sounds like she had a lot of support and the right kind.  I'm not receiving it.

Right, and I know plenty of people with Autism who work. I don't pretend to know where you sit on the spectrum of autism but unless impeding you from completing simple tasks every single day then it shouldn't be used as an excuse. I understand what you said above about not getting the help you need, there are plenty of links online that may provide you with assistance as to how and where you can seek assistance to put you in a place where you think you can go through the process of getting a job.

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It isn't just doing the job which is a major factor but the process of obtaining one. 

Nobody here is under the illusion that looking for one can suck. Its tedious and painful at times but if you don't try and you don't put yourself out there then you will never see reward.

Quote
Starting at the bottom.  I have no idea what it means.   Where is the bottom exactly?  Is college the bottom?  Is scrubbing toilets at the bottom?  If scrubbing toilets is the bottom, then what?  All you're giving me is a retarded bumper sticker slogan that means jack shit to me.[
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When I say starting from the bottom I mean an entry-level job. You mentioned above your reasoning for not being able to various jobs, but those are the types of jobs you would have to get. Yes, there are other ones out there such as data entry or retail associates that don't require the extreme stress and hustle that you cannot keep up with. Have you talked to a career center or something? They have them all over where I live to help place people in jobs, some part-time, some full time and some temp. It seems more to me that you should really seek out some assistance on this from just about anyone. Most of my jobs I got through meeting people.

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What do you mean by seeing a challenge?  Are you saying to take the initiative? What are my boundaries exactly?  How do I know what I'm allowed to do or not do?

That is exactly what I am telling you to do. If you don't take initiative you will never find anything. I'm not saying to break your back over it, but at least try a little. Even with your disability you can still put together a resume and walk into a couple of places.

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You, Solar and others state in no uncertain terms that it's socially unacceptable to make excuses or justifications.  Ok, so what especially can I do exactly deal with the issues I've described so far?

That's exactly what I'm saying. I can't speak for Solar, but I'm sure that when he messes up he takes ownership for it. I learned that excuses get you nowhere in life, and I've carried that with me. Of course, I'm not perfect, but I take ownership of my screw-ups and I move forward from there. If I were in your shoes I wouldn't sit around and whine about it I would pick myself up and go back to the drawing board to find something I want to do. What can you do to deal with the issues? I'm not sure because I do not know you and I do not know exactly what it is your struggle with. But for the one you could go seek out some help for not only your mental state but in acquiring a job. Stop coming up with excuses for yourself no matter how big or small and GROW UP. I'm sorry if it's harsh, but there are far more people in this world who have it worse off then you who have managed to make something of themselves. You can do it, you just have to putyour mind to it.

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
Problem is, you aren't doing, you have a justification for not even trying.

I justification my position based upon that I did try and personal experience, the bureau of labor statistics, other ppl's experiences, the stats on autism employment, that life is a competition which must entail winners and losers and that life is unfair which is truth.  I collated the data from my earliest memory till now including how I did get the jobs I had and the issues I had with them.  And, let's not forget my difficulty setting boundaries with others that caused all sorts of issues with my peers.

 

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
If you putt even one tenth of this effort into getting a job, you'd be working tomorrow.

Not true based upon the employment process.

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
Can  you clear the table after you're done eating? Then you're qualified too buss tables.

The work environment differs from the home environment so not true.

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
Total bullshit! You set your sights too fuckin high, and certain jobs appears to be beneath you.

If I believe myself to not be able to function in society then how do I set my standards to high?  Do I have a low opinion of my abilities or to high?  Which is it? You're not making sense.

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
I am, but your character goes straight back to more excuses.

Even if my character is bad my character has no baring on what is true or not.

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
Annnnnd? I've had thousands of job=s in my lifetime, but had I quit after a few failures, I'd be just like you, self loathing, self pity and still trying to justify why I can't see to find a job where everyone caters to my demands.

Annnnnd?  How did you represent this on your resume and interview when asked why did you leave your last job?

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
So you've been told. Can you sweep a floor, mop, vacuum, wipe off desks? Then you qualify as a night janitor, even day in some places. All they ask is that you show up on time, and guess what, the Federal govt has programs specially designed to accommodate people just like you.

I went to Voc Rehab twice.  I got dicked around, bullshitted and lied to.  I even told you I went there and you gave me shit for using it since it was a gov't program and you're against gov't programs except when it benefited you.  The gov't paid the people you got a salary instead of you doing it.  Truth is you and your friends on here browbeat others over the head with life not being fair until the life not being fair happens in your backyard.  Just like you're against gov't programs until they benefit you.  So, we can establish one negative character trait of yourself which is hypocrisy.
 

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
So you're perfect for a janitorial job, one that has a set parameter that virtually never changes.

According to the lack of responses I received when I did go for janitor jobs and other things including Bell Boy I'm not.  So, they must've saw red flags especially with their personality tests.

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
Wait, you had a job that you actually hated? Welcome to reality, If I liked any of the jobs I ever worked, I wouldn't have quit, but truth be known, I fuckin hated them all, that's why I quit, they sucked, that's why I went into business for myself, everyone is an idiot!

No, it's the whole having to be dishonest and pretend you love it with a smile on your face that gets to me.   This right here is another reason.  I'll do the job and I'll do a damned good one.  I will bust my ass but don't force me to lie.

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
Fuck society! This is about you and what you want out of life, screw what others think of you, tell them to SHTFU, they are no better or different than you, they attack you to make themselves "Feel" superior, otherwise they'd simply avoid you altogether.

The thing is some of those others set the rules, have the keys and guard all the doors. 

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
Keep in mind, they chose a deadened job, you on the other hand just want independence, insulting you is what weak minded people do, liberals, if you will.
I'll bet if you were to ask everyone on this forum, that each and everyone of them did jobs they absolutely despised, but did it in hopes of moving up the ladder to something better.

I wish I lived in a society in which those with autism were in majority.  I would immigrate there.  No having to deal with metaphors that mean nothing to me.  Things would be spelled out and everyone would say what they meant and meant what they said.  Language would be more literal and concrete.  We can be able to say things wondering if we said the wrong thing or not.

Quote from: alienhand on November 08, 2018, 06:55:20 PM
I justification my position based upon that I did try and personal experience, the bureau of labor statistics, other ppl's experiences, the stats on autism employment, that life is a competition which must entail winners and losers and that life is unfair which is truth.  I collated the data from my earliest memory till now including how I did get the jobs I had and the issues I had with them.  And, let's not forget my difficulty setting boundaries with others that caused all sorts of issues with my peers.

 
Not true based upon the employment process.

The work environment differs from the home environment so not true.

If I believe myself to not be able to function in society then how do I set my standards to high?  Do I have a low opinion of my abilities or to high?  Which is it? You're not making sense.

Even if my character is bad my character has no baring on what is true or not.

Annnnnd?  How did you represent this on your resume and interview when asked why did you leave your last job?

I went to Voc Rehab twice.  I got dicked around, bullshitted and lied to.  I even told you I went there and you gave me shit for using it since it was a gov't program and you're against gov't programs except when it benefited you.  The gov't paid the people you got a salary instead of you doing it.  Truth is you and your friends on here browbeat others over the head with life not being fair until the life not being fair happens in your backyard.  Just like you're against gov't programs until they benefit you.  So, we can establish one negative character trait of yourself which is hypocrisy.
 
According to the lack of responses I received when I did go for janitor jobs and other things including Bell Boy I'm not.  So, they must've saw red flags especially with their personality tests.
No, it's the whole having to be dishonest and pretend you love it with a smile on your face that gets to me.   This right here is another reason.  I'll do the job and I'll do a damned good one.  I will bust my ass but don't force me to lie.


The thing is some of those others set the rules, have the keys and guard all the doors. 
I wish I lived in a society in which those with autism were in majority.  I would immigrate there.  No having to deal with metaphors that mean nothing to me.  Things would be spelled out and everyone would say what they meant and meant what they said.  Language would be more literal and concrete.  We can be able to say things wondering if we said the wrong thing or not.

I give up. You are so set on continuing to not try, I see no need to continue with what is a futile attempt to get you to get off your ass and face the real world.
Go ahead, stay in your room and live in self pity, but don't expect any sympathy from me.
I've never seen so many excuses in my life from someone trying to avoid all the pleasures life has to offer, failure is a part of life, looks like that's the only part you'll ever experience.

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 08, 2018, 05:45:21 AM
Right, and I know plenty of people with Autism who work. I don't pretend to know where you sit on the spectrum of autism but unless impeding you from completing simple tasks every single day then it shouldn't be used as an excuse. I understand what you said above about not getting the help you need, there are plenty of links online that may provide you with assistance as to how and where you can seek assistance to put you in a place where you think you can go through the process of getting a job.

like where?

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 08, 2018, 05:45:21 AM
Nobody here is under the illusion that looking for one can suck. Its tedious and painful at times but if you don't try and you don't put yourself out there then you will never see reward.

I did try. 

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 08, 2018, 05:45:21 AM
That is exactly what I am telling you to do. If you don't take initiative you will never find anything. I'm not saying to break your back over it, but at least try a little. Even with your disability you can still put together a resume and walk into a couple of places.

I did.  And, no you can't just walk in.  They demand you submit your resume online.  Shit, I've been to job fairs which were a complete waste cause all they do is tell you to apply online.

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 08, 2018, 05:45:21 AM
That's exactly what I'm saying. I can't speak for Solar, but I'm sure that when he messes up he takes ownership for it.

How do you take ownership exactly?

And, what if one doesn't grasp where he messed up at and why it would be a mess up?  And, when one tries to ask questions and no one will explain it to him?  Then what?

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 08, 2018, 05:45:21 AM
I learned that excuses get you nowhere in life, and I've carried that with me.

And, what if my excuses are based in valid reasoning, then what?  Let's go onto a side bar so I can give an example as to why this lesson you learned is absolutely retarded.  In fourth grade we were in the hall way as a class preparing to go to music class.  We were all expected to stand on the 2nd block. The floor was divided into blocks.  But, the person in front of me was a bully and kept picking on me.  I kept trying to stop him.  The teacher pulled everyone who wasn't on the 2nd block into the classroom. He had us write an essay why we didn't comply.  I gave my excuse blamed the bully for why I didn't comply.  It was accepted as valid and I was allowed to leave to go to music class. 

So, I don't understand why all excuses are invalid and why I'm not allowed to blame others no matter the fucking circumstance.

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 08, 2018, 05:45:21 AM

Of course, I'm not perfect, but I take ownership of my screw-ups and I move forward from there.

How?

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 08, 2018, 05:45:21 AM

If I were in your shoes I wouldn't sit around and whine about it I would pick myself up and go back to the drawing board to find something I want to do. What can you do to deal with the issues?

Think of Godel's Incompleteness theorms.  A given system can never be complete and consistent at the same time. I can't use my very thinking to correct my thinking if my thinking caused my issues in the first place.  My brain is compromised so I need a mind outside of myself to go through things with me.   

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 08, 2018, 05:45:21 AM
I'm not sure because I do not know you and I do not know exactly what it is your struggle with. But for the one you could go seek out some help for not only your mental state but in acquiring a job.

I did.  I got fucked over.

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 08, 2018, 05:45:21 AM
Stop coming up with excuses for yourself no matter how big or small and GROW UP. I'm sorry if it's harsh, but there are far more people in this world who have it worse off then you who have managed to make something of themselves. You can do it, you just have to putyour mind to it.

You're not harsh or not harsh b/c You're not even making sense.  You're claiming others have it worse then me and made it.  Yet, you don't know my issues.  On what basis do you come up with this. 

You said "You can do it, you just have to putyour mind to it."  In other words, I can do anything I set my mind to.  Question.  What are the constraints on this?  What are my boundaries exactly?  If we all literally could do this then everyone of us could be president.  How does that even make sense?  I've been fed this retarded bumper sticker slogan all my life.  I didn't accept it as a child and I don't accept its validity now.  If it was true then we'd all get what we wanted and needed and life would be fair  yet life is not fair and we don't always get what we want or need.  Do you not realize this double-think is out of the playbook of Orwell's 1984?

Quote from: alienhand on November 08, 2018, 07:37:24 PM

I did.  And, no you can't just walk in.  They demand you submit your resume online.  Shit, I've been to job fairs which were a complete waste cause all they do is tell you to apply online.

You send one hell a lot time on this board.  Blowing smoke up peoples ass.  Do what they say spend sometime putting your resume online.

Quote from: walkstall on November 08, 2018, 07:58:13 PM

You send one hell a lot time on this board.  Blowing smoke up peoples ass.  Do what they say spend sometime putting your resume online.

I've done that.  It doesn't work.

Quote from: walkstall on November 08, 2018, 07:58:13 PM

You send one hell a lot time on this board.  Blowing smoke up peoples ass.  Do what they say spend sometime putting your resume online.

In other words, you believe I'm being deceptive.  For one to be deceptive one would have to intentionally present something which is not true.  In a court of law this is called perjury.  How have I perjured myself here?  In what ways have I been deceptive?

Quote from: alienhand on November 08, 2018, 07:37:24 PM

You're not harsh or not harsh b/c You're not even making sense.  You're claiming others have it worse then me and made it.  Yet, you don't know my issues.  On what basis do you come up with this. 

You said "You can do it, you just have to putyour mind to it."  In other words, I can do anything I set my mind to.  Question.  What are the constraints on this?  What are my boundaries exactly?  If we all literally could do this then everyone of us could be president.  How does that even make sense?  I've been fed this retarded bumper sticker slogan all my life.  I didn't accept it as a child and I don't accept its validity now.  If it was true then we'd all get what we wanted and needed and life would be fair  yet life is not fair and we don't always get what we want or need.  Do you not realize this double-think is out of the playbook of Orwell's 1984?

Look, I'm so beyond sitting here trying to explain things to you and you whining to everyone like a little bitch about how you can't get a job or whatever verbal diarrhea comes out of your mouth about it with these made up constraints based upon your disability or your own fears or ego. Point is if you really wanted to get a job, you would sack the fuck up, be a fucking man, and get a fucking job. I don't know why this is like pulling teeth with you. You sit here and you complain here about it yet you've taken absolutely none of the advice that we've provided to you.

Secondly, Stop spinning my words around into something they are not, and go apply for some jobs. I've had it with your hysterics and your manipulation of my words. You know full well what I meant. Stop detracting from the conversation and maybe take some advice people give you on here, instead of picking apart the arguments of good people who want to see you succeed. You make a good point that life isn't fair. Touch shit.

That did not take you long seeing through all his BS.   :thumbsup:

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 09, 2018, 02:05:13 PM

Look, I'm so beyond sitting here trying to explain things to you and you whining to everyone like a little bitch about how you can't get a job or whatever verbal diarrhea comes out of your mouth about it with these made up constraints based upon your disability or your own fears or ego. Point is if you really wanted to get a job, you would sack the fuck up, be a fucking man, and get a fucking job. I don't know why this is like pulling teeth with you. You sit here and you complain here about it yet you've taken absolutely none of the advice that we've provided to you.

Secondly, Stop spinning my words around into something they are not, and go apply for some jobs. I've had it with your hysterics and your manipulation of my words. You know full well what I meant. Stop detracting from the conversation and maybe take some advice people give you on here, instead of picking apart the arguments of good people who want to see you succeed. You make a good point that life isn't fair. Touch shit.

Again, if you really don't know my issues then how can you claim that others have it worse then me or not?  What is your scale that you use to determine who has it worse?  You're not even making any sense whatsoever.

How does my gender have to do with anything in this case?

In what way have I manipulated your words?

Yes, life is not fair so accept socialism and quit bitching about it, pay your taxes, shut up and slog on.  I'm expected to accept life is unfair yet you won't accept it when it affects you in a way you don't like.  You're inconsistent.

And, I've taken the advice of yours long b4 I came on here.  It doesn't work and yes I tried, tried again. 

I will pick apart the arguments if they're not sound, valid, vague, inconsistent or if they make no sense.  Example:  If we're to accept life is not fair as a truth then one must accept it in all iterations or else the maxim must be refined with a better maxim.

And, you say I know what you meant?  How do you know what I know, understand and what is the summit of my knowledge and wisdom? 

Quote from: alienhand on November 10, 2018, 02:12:47 AM
Yes, life is not fair so accept socialism and quit bitching about it, pay your taxes, shut up and slog on.

I think you've made your point very clear with this statement right here. Maybe you should take your own advice, accept socialism, and sit on your ass the rest of your life collecting my hard earned money. There's nothing I hate more then a lazy socialist. Your trolls will no longer be entertained. Good day.

Quote from: alienhand on November 10, 2018, 02:12:47 AM
Again, if you really don't know my issues then how can you claim that others have it worse then me or not?  What is your scale that you use to determine who has it worse?  You're not even making any sense whatsoever.

How does my gender have to do with anything in this case?

In what way have I manipulated your words?

Yes, life is not fair so accept socialism and quit bitching about it, pay your taxes, shut up and slog on.  I'm expected to accept life is unfair yet you won't accept it when it affects you in a way you don't like.  You're inconsistent.

And, I've taken the advice of yours long b4 I came on here.  It doesn't work and yes I tried, tried again. 

I will pick apart the arguments if they're not sound, valid, vague, inconsistent or if they make no sense.  Example:  If we're to accept life is not fair as a truth then one must accept it in all iterations or else the maxim must be refined with a better maxim.

And, you say I know what you meant?  How do you know what I know, understand and what is the summit of my knowledge and wisdom?

So let me see if I get this straight?
You gave up because you're afraid of failure?
You do know, that literally defines "Coward": someone who is too afraid to do what is right or expected.

Quote from: Solar on November 10, 2018, 07:25:03 AM
So let me see if I get this straight?
You gave up because you're afraid of failure?
You do know, that literally defines "Coward": someone who is too afraid to do what is right or expected.

1.  What is right may not be expected.
2.  What is expected may not be right.
3.  Based upon 1 and 2 both right and expected may conflict.
4.  Sometimes what is right can conflict with another thing that is right.
5.  Sometimes what is expected can conflict with another thing that is expected.
6.  People can have their own interpretation of what is right and expected.
7.  Therefore, there are times I don't know what is expected or right.

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 10, 2018, 07:11:33 AM
I think you've made your point very clear with this statement right here. Maybe you should take your own advice, accept socialism, and sit on your ass the rest of your life collecting my hard earned money. There's nothing I hate more then a lazy socialist. Your trolls will no longer be entertained. Good day.

I know you hate me.   I know you do.   You hate everything that I am.  And, it's b/c you have your own sense of justice and your own sense of fairness if you will.  You, Solar and others see my collecting your hard money as unfair, intolerable and unjust.  Yet, your emotion of hate, sense of unfairness, sense of justice conflicts with what is logical. 

I've never understood this.  Logically, there should be no hate, no sense of justice or demand for fairness from you, Solar, and others yet there is.  It defies logic and it defies reason.  Why?  If you truthfully accept that life is not fair as truth and fact then how is it logical to even get angry and filled with hate like this?   Why bother to go against socialism if socialism is unfair and an unjust system to you if we all must accept that life is unfair? 

Your way of thinking, Solar's way of thinking and other people's way of thinking is fascinating to me.  It's like humanity is not only in conflict with with each other but with our own internal selves as well. 

Which means, reason and logic are not the only things that humanity goes by.  Our emotions affects us as a species as well.  In other words, people are going to vote and live not by reason but by their values whether they're logical or not.   Dr. Morris Berman told me people are not logical but Psycho-logical.  People get attached to their ideals and these ideals form part of who they are, their identity. 

Quote from: alienhand on November 10, 2018, 07:43:10 PM
1.  What is right may not be expected.
2.  What is expected may not be right.
3.  Based upon 1 and 2 both right and expected may conflict.
4.  Sometimes what is right can conflict with another thing that is right.
5.  Sometimes what is expected can conflict with another thing that is expected.
6.  People can have their own interpretation of what is right and expected.
7.  Therefore, there are times I don't know what is expected or right.

Stop dancing, it's getting ridiculous!

The question is, why are you not accepting ANY job?
There are companies that do inventory for big stores, where all you do is count products, scan the product with a tool, enter the number counted and move to the next product.
They specialize in hiring the autistic, obsessive compulsive, handicapped etc, because these workers fit the job perfectly.

But I assume that's below you, to take a job that doesn't carry a label that screams success.
Get a job, any damn job, quit hiding behind your disability!

QuoteI know you hate me.   I know you do.   You hate everything that I am.  And, it's b/c you have your own sense of justice and your own sense of fairness if you will.  You, Solar and others see my collecting your hard money as unfair, intolerable and unjust.  Yet, your emotion of hate, sense of unfairness, sense of justice conflicts with what is logical. 

Because people like Solar and I have worked hard for a living and do not want the government taking our money. To me, socialism is unfair and unjust. Why should I work all day so lazy people can collect my money without putting in any effort? I don't hate you, I hate what you stand for. I could debate you for hours on why socialism is evil and unfair, but I'm not going to do that because I'm sure your only reason for being here is to troll people with nonsense. This conversation has become so detracted from the original point there's no sense in having it anymore. If you want to support socialism, that is your call. But don't come onto a conservative forum and tell me I am not just in feeling unfair when lazy fucks like you collect the money I work hard for. That I will not accept. Maybe a change in venue would yield you some more support.

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 11, 2018, 08:50:21 AM
Because people like Solar and I have worked hard for a living and do not want the government taking our money. To me, socialism is unfair and unjust. Why should I work all day so lazy people can collect my money without putting in any effort? I don't hate you, I hate what you stand for. I could debate you for hours on why socialism is evil and unfair, but I'm not going to do that because I'm sure your only reason for being here is to troll people with nonsense. This conversation has become so detracted from the original point there's no sense in having it anymore. If you want to support socialism, that is your call. But don't come onto a conservative forum and tell me I am not just in feeling unfair when lazy fucks like you collect the money I work hard for. That I will not accept. Maybe a change in venue would yield you some more support.

Well, if you won't accept that then you are demanding that life be fair then.  Yet, you, Solar and other personality responsibility advocates demand all of us accept that life is not fair.  Yet, shouldn't you also?

Quote from: alienhand on November 11, 2018, 10:57:42 AM
Well, if you won't accept that then you are demanding that life be fair then.  Yet, you, Solar and other personality responsibility advocates demand all of us accept that life is not fair.  Yet, shouldn't you also?

alienhand this will be you all your life.  From one government hand out to the next.
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Quote from: alienhand on November 11, 2018, 10:57:42 AM
Well, if you won't accept that then you are demanding that life be fair then.  Yet, you, Solar and other personality responsibility advocates demand all of us accept that life is not fair.  Yet, shouldn't you also?

You didn't answer the question. Why are you so afraid of failure, that it interferes with your simply getting a job, any damn job?

Quote from: alienhand on November 11, 2018, 10:57:42 AM
Well, if you won't accept that then you are demanding that life be fair then.  Yet, you, Solar and other personality responsibility advocates demand all of us accept that life is not fair.  Yet, shouldn't you also?

:lol: :lol: I think you are in no position to be telling me what is fair and what's not fair alienhand. Me, a working man in school who pays almost thirty percent of my income to lazy bums like you?

Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2018, 11:43:36 AM
You didn't answer the question. Why are you so afraid of failure, that it interferes with your simply getting a job, any damn job?

Let's turn this question around.  Why do employers have a fear of hiring me when I did everything you and others suggested bu submitting applications?

Quote from: alienhand on November 11, 2018, 07:17:08 PM
Let's turn this question around.  Why do employers have a fear of hiring me when I did everything you and others suggested bu submitting applications?

I have no idea why they won't. As you've said before, I don't know your life. I don't know your conditions, and I do not know why you aren't being hired. From engaging in this thread with various other members it seems to me like you have this sense of privilege with you (just an observation) that you carry with you in order to justify not working certain jobs. I know you don't like the 'judgments' of Solar and I but you can't deny that through these conversations you have neglected to seek our certain jobs based upon reasonings you have constructed.

Getting a job is not also solely about submitting applications. It's about establishing connections, presenting yourself as an asset to the company or the position, and remaining persistent in your efforts. When I first started looking for entry-level jobs at sixteen, I found that its one thing to submit an application and wait, but it's another thing to go in, see the manager, talk with them and present yourself to them as a worthy addition to their company. Like I said above though, I haven't been with you through these hiring processes you talk about, so I only know what you've told. If what you've said above is any indication of how you've gone about this, which is through simply submitting an application and biding time, then I'm not surprised you haven't found work yet. There are hundreds of people looking to have the same position as you. To any employer, your application could be one in a million to them.

Quote from: alienhand on November 11, 2018, 07:17:08 PM
Let's turn this question around.  Why do employers have a fear of hiring me when I did everything you and others suggested bu submitting applications?

Personality plays a huge part, so if you have the personality of a Saltine cracker, (Dry and Tasteless) they see someone not merging with the staff..
With that said, why are you afraid of failure?

Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2018, 08:10:23 PM
Personality plays a huge part, so if you have the personality of a Saltine cracker, (Dry and Tasteless) they see someone not merging with the staff..
With that said, why are you afraid of failure?

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!  You are the next contestant on the Price is Right!  You have admitted to the honest truth about our society and employers.   And, the truth is I don't have the personality they want.  It isn't fear of failure that caused my issues.  It is my aspergers combined with my personality type and what employers demand that I literally can't meet that caused my failure.

Will you now admit that life is not always what we make it but what others make it as well and that we don't have as much control over our destinies and admit that some will not and cannot succeed in today's world whatsoever?

As for fear of failure and why do I fear it.  I already failed.  Truth is, I did everything you suggested.  I went to Voc Rehab twice and I went to another disability organization.  It doesn't work.

Quote from: alienhand on November 11, 2018, 09:06:41 PM
Truth is, I did everything you suggested.  I went to Voc Rehab twice and I went to another disability organization.  It doesn't work.

It did not work or you did not work.  Rehab you have to put something into it of yourself for it to work.  I would like hearing the Rehab side of the story, about your lazy ass. 

alienhand
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QuoteSo, it's always me no matter the case?  I didn't work hard enough.  I didn't put enough effort.  My expectations are to high.   My attitude is to negative.  I need more confidence and to believe in myself more.  I'm entitled.  I'm lazy.  Yet, at the same time be myself while being this confident, professional and outgoing person.

Is society ever wrong at all?

Yes society is wrong as they keep sending you a check.
Why did you delete this post

Quote from: alienhand on November 11, 2018, 09:06:41 PM
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!  You are the next contestant on the Price is Right!  You have admitted to the honest truth about our society and employers.   And, the truth is I don't have the personality they want.  It isn't fear of failure that caused my issues.  It is my aspergers combined with my personality type and what employers demand that I literally can't meet that caused my failure.

Will you now admit that life is not always what we make it but what others make it as well and that we don't have as much control over our destinies and admit that some will not and cannot succeed in today's world whatsoever?

As for fear of failure and why do I fear it.  I already failed.  Truth is, I did everything you suggested.  I went to Voc Rehab twice and I went to another disability organization.  It doesn't work.

So the honest truth is, you're an asshole and refuse to change? That somehow society is supposed to bend to accommodate your lousy personality?
Well then screw you, for that very reason not one person here should give a fuck about your whining and how miserable you think your life is because you blame us for your failure in life.
News for ya loser, life it what it is, you either find a way to accommodate those around you, or get pushed out and live miserable the rest of your life.

That's it, society is not changing for you. Like I said, you are your own worst enemy.
So after pages and pages of excuses, we finally get to the root of the problem. It's you. Not your inabilities or disabilities, but you, the dickhead that refuses to conform to societal norms.
Good luck with that. Not only is life not fair, but life's a bitch. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Have we not put up with his BS long enough? He is not going to change.

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 12, 2018, 05:02:02 AM
Have we not put up with his BS long enough? He is not going to change.

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Quote from: supsalemgr on November 12, 2018, 05:02:02 AM
Have we not put up with his BS long enough? He is not going to change.

The pity party posts have gone on too damn long.  :cursing:

Quote from: tac on November 12, 2018, 11:59:37 AM
The pity party posts have gone on too damn long.  :cursing:

Self pity, I don't think anyone here has any sympathy for anyone not willing to take any work whatsoever.

Job Openings Exceed Unemployed Americans Again in July as Employers Feel the Pinch
An increasingly tight labor market leads companies to alter the way they look for workers
By Eric Morath
September 11, 2018
The number of available jobs in the U.S. exceeded the number of job seekers by more than 650,000 in July—a gap that has been growing—in a sign of an increasingly tight labor market that is altering how employers find workers.

The number of available jobs in the U.S. rose by about 117,000 to a seasonally adjusted 6.94 million in July, the Labor Department said Tuesday. That is the highest level on record back to 2000, exceeding the prior peak set in April. It also exceeds the 6.28 million Americans who were unemployed during...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/job-openings-exceed-unemployed-americans-again-in-july-as-employers-feel-the-pinch-1536691533

Quote from: Solar on November 12, 2018, 12:05:44 PM
Self pity, I don't think anyone here has any sympathy for anyone not willing to take any work whatsoever.

Job Openings Exceed Unemployed Americans Again in July as Employers Feel the Pinch
An increasingly tight labor market leads companies to alter the way they look for workers
By Eric Morath
September 11, 2018
The number of available jobs in the U.S. exceeded the number of job seekers by more than 650,000 in July—a gap that has been growing—in a sign of an increasingly tight labor market that is altering how employers find workers.

The number of available jobs in the U.S. rose by about 117,000 to a seasonally adjusted 6.94 million in July, the Labor Department said Tuesday. That is the highest level on record back to 2000, exceeding the prior peak set in April. It also exceeds the 6.28 million Americans who were unemployed during...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/job-openings-exceed-unemployed-americans-again-in-july-as-employers-feel-the-pinch-1536691533

The problem is that a person has to want to work. Many find it easier to sit home and complain to the world that they cannot find a job. We all know that's BS.

Quote from: tac on November 12, 2018, 12:24:28 PM
The problem is that a person has to want to work. Many find it easier to sit home and complain to the world that they cannot find a job. We all know that's BS.

The thing is alienhand AKA cubedemon has been playing this game for four years.  He has no intentions of finding a job or work.  Until all of government cuts him off.  All I hear from him is "I can't do it" BS.  As long as money keeps coming in there will always be a Lack of Motivation for him.   

Quote from: Solar on November 12, 2018, 04:39:53 AM
So the honest truth is, you're an asshole and refuse to change? That somehow society is supposed to bend to accommodate your lousy personality?
Well then screw you, for that very reason not one person here should give a fuck about your whining and how miserable you think your life is because you blame us for your failure in life.
News for ya loser, life it what it is, you either find a way to accommodate those around you, or get pushed out and live miserable the rest of your life.

That's it, society is not changing for you. Like I said, you are your own worst enemy.
So after pages and pages of excuses, we finally get to the root of the problem. It's you. Not your inabilities or disabilities, but you, the dickhead that refuses to conform to societal norms.
Good luck with that. Not only is life not fair, but life's a bitch. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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QuoteGet a Job
The Silhouettes
Yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip
Sha na na na, sha na na na na
Sha na na na, sha na na na na
Sha na na na, sha na na na na
Sha na na na, sha na na na na
Yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip
Mum mum mum mum mum mum
Get a job, sha na na na, sha na na na na
Ev'ry morning about this time
She get me out of my bed
A-crying, get a job
After breakfast ev'ry nay
She throws the want ads right my way
And never fails to say
Get a job, sha na na na, sha na na na na
Sha na na na, sha na na na na
Sha na na na, sha na na na na
Sha na na na, sha na na na na
Yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip
Mum mum mum mum mum mum
Get a job, sha na na na, sha na na na na
And when I get the paper
I read it through and through
And my girl never fails to say
If there is any work for me
And when...

Quote from: alienhand on November 13, 2018, 11:42:04 PM
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Ya know what made society work over millennia? We all pull our own weight, no beggars, no leeches, everyone contributes and has something to offer, and in a normal working society, if you don't, they kicked you out.
In communist countries, you'd starve to death.

If you have nothing to offer to society, then you get a job, any damn job and quit whining and learn to wipe your own ass and support yourself and take pride in the fact that you are a contributing member of society.
How are you a contributing member?

Quote from: Solar on November 14, 2018, 05:51:28 AM
Ya know what made society work over millennia? We all pull our own weight, no beggars, no leeches, everyone contributes and has something to offer, and in a normal working society, if you don't, they kicked you out.
In communist countries, you'd starve to death.

If you have nothing to offer to society, then you get a job, any damn job and quit whining and learn to wipe your own ass and support yourself and take pride in the fact that you are a contributing member of society.
How are you a contributing member?

Well, last night Solar I did get a job with a woman named job.  And, she was beneath me and paid me well.  So, some jobs are beneath me.  And, tonight life, Job's sister, will be taking advantage of my services and Job told me how much of a b***** she is so I have to make it special. 

 :lol: :lol: :lol:


A blowup doll named Job? How weird is that!

Quote from: alienhand on November 14, 2018, 06:47:07 AM
Well, last night Solar I did get a job with a woman named job.  And, she was beneath me and paid me well.  So, some jobs are beneath me.  And, tonight life, Job's sister, will be taking advantage of my services and Job told me how much of a b***** she is so I have to make it special.

What does that even mean  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I'm dead

Quote from: alienhand on November 14, 2018, 06:47:07 AM
Well, last night Solar I did get a job with a woman named job.  And, she was beneath me and paid me well.  So, some jobs are beneath me.  And, tonight life, Job's sister, will be taking advantage of my services and Job told me how much of a b***** she is so I have to make it special.

Ya know, no one said you had to be a part of society. You could take your skillset and set off for uninhabited parts unknown, and simply provide for yourself.
Oh, wait. What's that? You have no skills outside of self pity and whining?
Boy, are you screwed! Guess you should have listened to society and developed a skill so you could support yourself and feel good about yourself.

Quote from: Solar on November 14, 2018, 05:51:28 AM
Ya know what made society work over millennia? We all pull our own weight, no beggars, no leeches, everyone contributes and has something to offer, and in a normal working society, if you don't, they kicked you out.
In communist countries, you'd starve to death.

If you have nothing to offer to society, then you get a job, any damn job and quit whining and learn to wipe your own ass and support yourself and take pride in the fact that you are a contributing member of society.
How are you a contributing member?

Let's change this a bit with serious response. 

Ya know what made society work over millennia?

We all pull our own weight, no beggars, no leeches, everyone contributes and has something to offer if others believed one had something to offer, and in a normal working society, if they didn't believe you had anything to offer not only did they kick you out they wouldn't even let you go up to bat and swing to prove them wrong and prove your worth.

In communist countries, you'd starve to death which is actually true and it is also true that in capitalistic societies in which others didn't see value in you or didn't like you you'd starve to death anyway without any welfare benefits which is why different verses in the Bible admonishes the rich to help the poor, disabled and other downtrodden.

If you have nothing to offer to society, then you get a job, any damn job that others allow you to have and quit whining and learn to wipe your own ass to the extent that your abilities and others allow to do and support yourself to the extent that others allow you to support yourself through both the laws and the social veneer and do not take pride in the fact that you are a contributing member of society because "prideth leadeth to a fall."

How are you a contributing member to the extent that your abilities both mental and physical and others allow?

Quote from: alienhand on November 16, 2018, 01:54:59 AM
Let's change this a bit with serious response. 

Ya know what made society work over millennia?

We all pull our own weight, no beggars, no leeches, everyone contributes and has something to offer if others believed one had something to offer, and in a normal working society, if they didn't believe you had anything to offer not only did they kick you out they wouldn't even let you go up to bat and swing to prove them wrong and prove your worth.

In communist countries, you'd starve to death which is actually true and it is also true that in capitalistic societies in which others didn't see value in you or didn't like you you'd starve to death anyway without any welfare benefits which is why different verses in the Bible admonishes the rich to help the poor, disabled and other downtrodden.

If you have nothing to offer to society, then you get a job, any damn job that others allow you to have and quit whining and learn to wipe your own ass to the extent that your abilities and others allow to do and support yourself to the extent that others allow you to support yourself through both the laws and the social veneer and do not take pride in the fact that you are a contributing member of society because "prideth leadeth to a fall."

How are you a contributing member to the extent that your abilities both mental and physical and others allow?

This isn't about me, the guy who retired in his early 40s because he could, the same guy that affords you a place to whine and complain hat life isn't fair, that I pay for out of my own pocket. The same guy that's been trying to get you to explain why you should not at least contribute too society? I've been hounding you to explain why you refuse to take any job yet somehow you're better that. Is this the answer? Because he doesn't like it and thinks it's beneath him.

Let's be honest, you don't share the values the rest of the working world shares, and guess what, there is another class of society that thinks like you.

So for the last time, tell us why it is you can't accept a job other people are already doing. You know, like single pregnant moms willing to do most anything to support their child to be, or the guy that busts his ass at three of these jobs because he has a responsibility to his family and honor and pride in himself.

So, what makes you so special, that you don't have to contribute? Oh yeah, you're somehow better than those people, that that kind of job is somehow beneath you, right?

Quote from: Solar on November 16, 2018, 06:40:10 AM
This isn't about me, the guy who retired in his early 40s because he could, the same guy that affords you a place to whine and complain hat life isn't fair, that I pay for out of my own pocket. The same guy that's been trying to get you to explain why you should not at least contribute too society? I've been hounding you to explain why you refuse to take any job yet somehow you're better that. Is this the answer? Because he doesn't like it and thinks it's beneath him.

Let's be honest, you don't share the values the rest of the working world shares, and guess what, there is another class of society that thinks like you.

So for the last time, tell us why it is you can't accept a job other people are already doing. You know, like single pregnant moms willing to do most anything to support their child to be, or the guy that busts his ass at three of these jobs because he has a responsibility to his family and honor and pride in himself.

So, what makes you so special, that you don't have to contribute? Oh yeah, you're somehow better than those people, that that kind of job is somehow beneath you, right?

Solar you may need to send him to his room for a week or two timeout.  This same old BS is getting very old from him.

Quote from: walkstall on November 16, 2018, 06:48:42 AM

Solar you may need to send him to his room for a week or two timeout.  This same old BS is getting very old from him.

I really want to know what makes him better that everyone else, why is it he doesn't have to work like the rest of us, the very people that pay to support him.

Quote from: Solar on November 16, 2018, 07:03:50 AM
I really want to know what makes him better that everyone else, why is it he doesn't have to work like the rest of us, the very people that pay to support him.

What can I say, he a Dem low life living on FREE stuff and loving it. 

Quote from: Solar on November 16, 2018, 06:40:10 AM
This isn't about me, the guy who retired in his early 40s because he could, the same guy that affords you a place to whine and complain hat life isn't fair, that I pay for out of my own pocket. The same guy that's been trying to get you to explain why you should not at least contribute too society? I've been hounding you to explain why you refuse to take any job yet somehow you're better that. Is this the answer? Because he doesn't like it and thinks it's beneath him.

Let's be honest, you don't share the values the rest of the working world shares, and guess what, there is another class of society that thinks like you.

So for the last time, tell us why it is you can't accept a job other people are already doing. You know, like single pregnant moms willing to do most anything to support their child to be, or the guy that busts his ass at three of these jobs because he has a responsibility to his family and honor and pride in himself.

So, what makes you so special, that you don't have to contribute? Oh yeah, you're somehow better than those people, that that kind of job is somehow beneath you, right?

I stand by what I have said. 

Quote from: alienhand on November 16, 2018, 09:17:54 AM
I stand by what I have said.

You've not said a fucking thing!
Why won't you take any job? Last chance to answer, and no, I'm not kidding, if you remember what happened last time..

Quote from: Solar on November 16, 2018, 09:22:05 AM
You've not said a fucking thing!
Why won't you take any job? Last chance to answer, and no, I'm not kidding, if you remember what happened last time..

I presented you with facts from the bureau of labor statistics.  I explained the motor coordination issues I have.  I explained about how much I have difficulty with the whole hiring process.  I've explained how I can't take a job others refuse to give me.  I have difficulty with how employers expecting one to pretend to be someone who isn't and how one has to exaggerate himself.  Not only can't I mentally do it but I think it is dirty, foul and dishonest.  And, when I walk through the shining city called liberty with my flashlight I ask "Can I find an honest man?" 

So, Solar I graciously accept your ban with gratitude and I have to say parting is such sweet sorrow.  So, I shall take my leave and bid you adieu and many blessings with lots of good fortune my liege.

Quote from: alienhand on November 16, 2018, 09:48:41 AM
I presented you with facts from the bureau of labor statistics.  I explained the motor coordination issues I have.  I explained about how much I have difficulty with the whole hiring process.  I've explained how I can't take a job others refuse to give me.  I have difficulty with how employers expecting one to pretend to be someone who isn't and how one has to exaggerate himself.  Not only can't I mentally do it but I think it is dirty, foul and dishonest.  And, when I walk through the shining city called liberty with my flashlight I ask "Can I find an honest man?" 

So, Solar I graciously accept your ban with gratitude and I have to say parting is such sweet sorrow.  So, I shall take my leave and bid you adieu and many blessings with lots of good fortune my liege.

Lol Is it finally over now? The reason you have yet to answer these simple questions is that we know exactly what you are going to say. The fact is, you want the government to take care of you. Which is a fine answer, but not the one that is reflected? Live on in snowflake land buddy.

Quote from: alienhand on November 16, 2018, 09:48:41 AM
I presented you with facts from the bureau of labor statistics.  I explained the motor coordination issues I have.  I explained about how much I have difficulty with the whole hiring process.  I've explained how I can't take a job others refuse to give me.  I have difficulty with how employers expecting one to pretend to be someone who isn't and how one has to exaggerate himself.  Not only can't I mentally do it but I think it is dirty, foul and dishonest.  And, when I walk through the shining city called liberty with my flashlight I ask "Can I find an honest man?" 

So, Solar I graciously accept your ban with gratitude and I have to say parting is such sweet sorrow.  So, I shall take my leave and bid you adieu and many blessings with lots of good fortune my liege.

Translation:
I get welfare, so why in the fuck should I lower myself to making less than what welfare pays me?
Reason? Because you can still receive benefits while returning something to society, and knowing you're not just stealing from others.
But that's below you, right? Ya know who else thinks this way? Every thief on the planet.

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 16, 2018, 09:52:17 AM
Lol Is it finally over now? The reason you have yet to answer these simple questions is that we know exactly what you are going to say. The fact is, you want the government to take care of you. Which is a fine answer, but not the one that is reflected? Live on in snowflake land buddy.

Yes, it is over and I'm moving on.  There is no point in continuing a conversation that is fruitless with a group who has already made up their minds. 

Quote from: alienhand on November 16, 2018, 10:01:33 AM
Yes, it is over and I'm moving on.  There is no point in continuing a conversation that is fruitless with a group who has already made up their minds.

I thought you leftist, umm, left us.

Quote from: Solar on November 16, 2018, 11:52:49 AM
I thought you leftist, umm, left us.

Does this mean he will delete his account.   :rolleyes: 

Not until he gets the last word in.   :lol:

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We should make his last word his last word here.

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 16, 2018, 12:30:17 PM
We should make his last word his last word here.

We should be so lucky!

Quote from: Solar on November 16, 2018, 09:58:22 AM
Translation:
I get welfare, so why in the fuck should I lower myself to making less than what welfare pays me?
Reason? Because you can still receive benefits while returning something to society, and knowing you're not just stealing from others.
But that's below you, right? Ya know who else thinks this way? Every thief on the planet.

http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/steal

Let's use your dictionary and look up the word steal.  A dictionary that we must use since you believe that any dictionaries past the 19th century are worthless since supposedly there is a liberal conspiracy which involves the dictionaries. 

Let's use the first definition. 

1. To take and carry away feloniously, as the personal goods of another. To constitute stealing or theft, the taking must be felonious, that is, with an intent to take what belongs to another, and without his consent.

So, the criteria for stealing since you say I'm a thief and I steal is this:

a.  I take what belongs to another

b.  I take what belongs to another without his consent.

I disagree with this and here is why.

a.  We live in a society

b.  By living in a society we consent to its laws.

c.   One can remove consent by leaving.

d.   A law in our society and all societies requires no unanimous consent to be passed.  In other words, 100% of the population doesn't have to agree with said law for it to be passed. 

e.  The articles of confederation prove that unanimous consent is impossible to have.   It is not possible to make laws or govern a society with a society that requires 100% agreement from the populace.

f.  SSDI and other forms of Social Security were created by laws that were passed by representatives we voted in.   

g.   For one to receive the SSDI aspect of social security one has to put in that certain percentage. 

h.  I put in that percentage and placed my contribution. 

i.  If one really wants to see this as theft and I was legally obligated by government to put in while I did work then I'm receiving back what was stolen from me.  If I'm receiving back what was stolen from me then logically I can't be a thief since I took nothing that belonged to me without consent.  And, remember laws do not require unanimous consent and consent can't exist. 

j.  If one doesn't want consent to be governed by the laws of a given nation then one should leave.

k.   If the Bible is true,  if it truthfully is the word of God and believes it is so, he is our creator, the US constitution is supposed to be based on Godly law, we're supposed to obey everything he says to do, if the Bible says render unto Caesar to which is Caesar's and render onto God what is Gods, and the passage is supposed to be taken literally then not all of the revenue you bring in from the fruits of your labor is yours.  It belongs to Caesar (Government of your kingdom or nation) and God. 

l.  Part of what Caesar receives belongs to God as well.

m.  God's portion is supposed to go to the poor, disenfranchised, disabled, etc.

Conclusion:   I can't be a thief since I'm not taking what belongs to another since the portion I receive comes from the ordainment of what I put in SSDI in the past, what my employers put in, the US government (which doesn't go by unanimous consent) and God himself.  One can't steal from someone if what was taken didn't belong to said person in the first place.  It is God and Caesar who chose to give me what I've been blessed with based upon US law and God's law.

Quote from: alienhand on November 16, 2018, 09:48:41 AM

So, Solar I graciously accept your ban with gratitude and I have to say parting is such sweet sorrow.  So, I shall take my leave and bid you adieu and many blessings with lots of good fortune my liege.