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Compartmentalization of Topics and Thoughts
« on: November 03, 2018, 10:57:16 PM »
I'm not sure if this is the appropriate spot to put this.  If not, please forgive me.

Everyone here and other boards both in politics and non-politics seem to follow this schema and it is so frustrating.  People want to keep their thoughts and the topics into separate folders and compartments.  The problem with this mode of thinking is that one can't discuss the topics that interrelate together or the premises and assumptions that make up a given topic in a thread.

Example:  There are those who state the maxim that taxation is theft.  The underlying assumptions are that all forms of theft is immoral with no exceptions, morality comes from higher laws which are unchanging, and the thing that was stolen from you was yours in the first place.

Another Example:  Let's say I go into the store to buy water because I'm thirsty.  I can't wait or what not.  I go into the store and there is no attendant there.  The water costs maybe $1.50.  Let's say I have the money and more.   I go back out to my car b/c I remember I have an empty envelope floating about.  In my car, I decide to put $3.00 into the envelope and write a note stating what I did, apologizing for it and here is double the amount for your troubles.  More then likely, if the police saw me doing this I would still be charged with shoplifting.  If shoplifting means I took something without paying for it and I did pay then how did I shoplift?

If the topic of a thread is taxation is theft and I ask about these underlying assumptions no discussion of these things is allowed because of the compartmentalization.   But, you can't really talk about certain topics without discussion of others that coincide with this topic without being considered threadjacking or being a troll.   


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Re: Compartmentalization of Topics and Thoughts
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2018, 04:05:21 AM »
Because you have a problem with employing subjects from across the universe.
Eg., your claim that is shoplifting is ludicrous, you would not be arrested and that scenario happens around the globe daily by an enumerable count.
Linking topics that have no correlation is a problem, this is not necessarily derailing, it's just dumb, do your own homework before linking two, three or 12 opposing topics together in a post, all you'll manage to do is piss off the person that started the subject.

It's not necessary to have your every question answered in a single thread, write them down, keep them to yourself and within reasonable time the answer comes to you in other ways . As Conservatives we hammer the idea of Critical Thought, ones ability to dissect any given issue based on certain parameters, including natural law and mans law, etiquette of social moors, or the fact is it morally acceptable.
There are several tools at ones disposal, they just need to learn to apply them equally.

In other words, ask your own questions of yourself, don't over think it, the first answer was probably the correct one, if you can't stay on the tracks, get the Hell off the tracks and become a bystander and watch and see if your questions get answered, if not, oh well, it wasn't that important anyway, and the answers will come in other forms later.
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Re: Compartmentalization of Topics and Thoughts
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2018, 09:05:15 AM »
Because you have a problem with employing subjects from across the universe.


 :lol: :lol: Trust me my friend it sucks balls being me at times. It's like my brain is constantly on overdrive.  And, because of that I do end up missing the forest for the trees.  And, even if I try to come up with a way to stop I end up overthinking about how to stop overthinking.  I wish there was meds or an herb I can get for this.  Again, it sucks balls.

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Re: Compartmentalization of Topics and Thoughts
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2018, 09:08:03 AM »
:lol: :lol: Trust me my friend it sucks balls being me at times. It's like my brain is constantly on overdrive.  And, because of that I do end up missing the forest for the trees.  And, even if I try to come up with a way to stop I end up overthinking about how to stop overthinking.  I wish there was meds or an herb I can get for this. Again, it sucks balls.


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Re: Compartmentalization of Topics and Thoughts
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2018, 10:27:00 AM »

The Rx is called working for a living.

Ok, are you willing to...

1.  hire me yourself and train me?

2.  teach me how to get a job and keep one and do all the things required including interview skills, resumes, keeping track of who I sent to or not, how to do a proper job search, how to interpret the personality questions properly?

3.  In other words are you willing to be my Henry Higgins? 

If you are not and we both know you're not then as I said accept that life is not fair, quit being a mod, shut up about socialism, pay your taxes and slog on.  Be consistent with your standards.  Don't apply to others which you won't apply to yourself.

AND, let's say you got rid of socialism tommorrow, I bet your ass you will see an increase in crime and more ppl in prison.  You're still paying for their three hots and a cot through your tax dollars.  People are going to do what they can to survive.   That's your natural law right there.
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Re: Compartmentalization of Topics and Thoughts
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2018, 10:32:36 AM »
:lol: :lol: Trust me my friend it sucks balls being me at times. It's like my brain is constantly on overdrive.  And, because of that I do end up missing the forest for the trees.  And, even if I try to come up with a way to stop I end up overthinking about how to stop overthinking.  I wish there was meds or an herb I can get for this.  Again, it sucks balls.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Weed? Beer? Or get one of those spin wheels everyone is using for distractions.
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Re: Compartmentalization of Topics and Thoughts
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2018, 10:38:45 AM »
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Weed? Beer? Or get one of those spin wheels everyone is using for distractions.

a fidget.  I made my own when I was younger with a pencil and ruler.

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Re: Compartmentalization of Topics and Thoughts
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2018, 12:32:26 PM »

Ok, are you willing to...

1.  hire me yourself and train me?

2.  teach me how to get a job and keep one and do all the things required including interview skills, resumes, keeping track of who I sent to or not, how to do a proper job search, how to interpret the personality questions properly?

3.  In other words are you willing to be my Henry Higgins? 

If you are not and we both know you're not then as I said accept that life is not fair, quit being a mod, shut up about socialism, pay your taxes and slog on.  Be consistent with your standards.  Don't apply to others which you won't apply to yourself.

AND, let's say you got rid of socialism tommorrow, I bet your ass you will see an increase in crime and more ppl in prison.  You're still paying for their three hots and a cot through your tax dollars.  People are going to do what they can to survive.   That's your natural law right there.


Hell no!  Why should I?  You will not do anything for your own good.  Don't ask me to be your babysitter.  Remember your out to sell yourself not me make you into something a 15 year old could do.

I was in town this last Thursday and there were 22 places asking for help.  Four of the places were willing to train you for the job. 
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Re: Compartmentalization of Topics and Thoughts
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2018, 06:58:47 PM »

Hell no!  Why should I?  You will not do anything for your own good.  Don't ask me to be your babysitter.  Remember your out to sell yourself not me make you into something a 15 year old could do.

I was in town this last Thursday and there were 22 places asking for help.  Four of the places were willing to train you for the job.

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Re: Compartmentalization of Topics and Thoughts
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2018, 07:41:14 PM »
The Defense Rests!


LOL  Like always on your ass at home.  Looking for your next government check. 
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2018, 07:54:35 PM »

LOL  Like always on your ass at home.  Looking for your next government check.

I doubt this man is telling the truth.  He claims that 22 places are asking for help in a town he never names.  He also claims four of those places are willing to train.  In my area, one rarely sees a help wanted sign and I've been to other areas as well.  I rarely see a help wanted sign as employers do things online now.  What are the name of these jobs?  What are the requirements for these jobs?  Did this man sit there and count these jobs? Why would he do this and waste his time?  How many others really do this?   Something smells rotten in the State of Denmark.   What is the recidivism rate for these 22 jobs especially for the four jobs that require training? 

Walkstall and others make the claim that we all have abilities and disabilities, we all can cope, we all can cope and function.  Yes, it is true we have abilities and disabilities but what the people on here fail to grasp is the extent of one's abilities and disabilities and their functionality in our given world.  I know of an Autistic person who has cerebral palsy and who is non-verbal.  For the most part, all he does is grunts and rocks all day.  He is required to be in a wheel chair.  Yet, the people on here would claim he could cope and function.  No, he can't.  He literally can't even wipe his own ass.    How in the living fuck is he coping and functioning?  He's not. 

If one looks at the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  It breaks it out by age.  The proportion of those who are not disabled and employed is higher then those who are not disabled and not employed.  The proportion of those who are disabled and employed is lower then those who are disabled and employed.  In fact, the highest rating for those disabled is not in the labor force and the highest rating for those who are not disabled is employed.   The truth of the matter is if one is disabled one is more likely not to even be in the labor force at all.

The truth of the matter is this actually makes perfect sense.  Employers are going to hire those who will benefit their company.  If one is slower then average in mind and productivity you're less likely to be hired by an employer.  The reason being is they're going to want to maximize their profits.  To do that, they're going to either have to raise revenue or cut costs.  If you work slow b/c of motor coordination problems or of slow of mind to where they have to take more time to explain things more to you then the average employer you're cutting into their time and time is money.  In other words, if one is disabled one is more costly to one's employer.  And, employers can and do cut costs and they will cut you as a cost if you are not productive enough.

The truth of the matter is some people are simply to disabled for the workplace and to disabled to be on their home.   Some people do need to be put in group homes and institutions.  And, the truth is parents need to save up a dowry for these disabled kids just in case they can't be employed when they became disabled adults.  This was done for women who did not or could not get married as there was a point in our history in which women were limited in what they could do for themselves.   If I was not disabled and had a disabled child, either I would try to hire him myself and/or do the dowry thing.  And, that is because employers would not be able to accomodate their needs and I as a parent would understand their needs better and be able to accmodate them better.  And, those with disabilites are more likely to sue an employer if things go wrong.  So, they're a liability right there.
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Re: Compartmentalization of Topics and Thoughts
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2018, 08:05:59 PM »
I doubt this man is telling the truth.  He claims that 22 places are asking for help in a town he never names.  He also claims four of those places are willing to train.  In my area, one rarely sees a help wanted sign and I've been to other areas as well.  I rarely see a help wanted sign as employers do things online now.  What are the name of these jobs?  What are the requirements for these jobs?  Did this man sit there and count these jobs? Why would he do this and waste his time?  How many others really do this?   Something smells rotten in the State of Denmark.   What is the recidivism rate for these 22 jobs especially for the four jobs that require training? 

Walkstall and others make the claim that we all have abilities and disabilities, we all can cope, we all can cope and function.  Yes, it is true we have abilities and disabilities but what the people on here fail to grasp is the extent of one's abilities and disabilities and their functionality in our given world.  I know of an Autistic person who has cerebral palsy and who is non-verbal.  For the most part, all he does is grunts and rocks all day.  He is required to be in a wheel chair.  Yet, the people on here would claim he could cope and function.  No, he can't.  He literally can't even wipe his own ass.    How in the living fuck is he coping and functioning?  He's not. 

If one looks at the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  It breaks it out by age.  The proportion of those who are not disabled and employed is higher then those who are not disabled and not employed.  The proportion of those who are disabled and employed is lower then those who are disabled and employed.  In fact, the highest rating for those disabled is not in the labor force and the highest rating for those who are not disabled is employed.   The truth of the matter is if one is disabled one is more likely not to even be in the labor force at all.

The truth of the matter is this actually makes perfect sense.  Employers are going to hire those who will benefit their company.  If one is slower then average in mind and productivity you're less likely to be hired by an employer.  The reason being is they're going to want to maximize their profits.  To do that, they're going to either have to raise revenue or cut costs.  If you work slow b/c of motor coordination problems or of slow of mind to where they have to take more time to explain things more to you then the average employer you're cutting into their time and time is money.  In other words, if one is disabled one is more costly to one's employer.  And, employers can and do cut costs and they will cut you as a cost if you are not productive enough.
Then move. I don't know where you live, but 80% of the business in my surrounding towns are seeking people to work, from mini marts to Home depot as well as all the mom and pop franchise stores.
And this is in Ca, where people and business are bailing on the socialist state. You may fare better in Texas than where you're stuck now.
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2018, 08:33:40 PM »
I doubt this man is telling the truth.  He claims that 22 places are asking for help in a town he never names.  He also claims four of those places are willing to train.  In my area, one rarely sees a help wanted sign and I've been to other areas as well.  I rarely see a help wanted sign as employers do things online now.  What are the name of these jobs?  What are the requirements for these jobs?  Did this man sit there and count these jobs? Why would he do this and waste his time?  How many others really do this?   Something smells rotten in the State of Denmark.   What is the recidivism rate for these 22 jobs especially for the four jobs that require training? 

Walkstall and others make the claim that we all have abilities and disabilities, we all can cope, we all can cope and function.  Yes, it is true we have abilities and disabilities but what the people on here fail to grasp is the extent of one's abilities and disabilities and their functionality in our given world.  I know of an Autistic person who has cerebral palsy and who is non-verbal.  For the most part, all he does is grunts and rocks all day.  He is required to be in a wheel chair.  Yet, the people on here would claim he could cope and function.  No, he can't.  He literally can't even wipe his own ass.    How in the living fuck is he coping and functioning?  He's not. 

If one looks at the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  It breaks it out by age.  The proportion of those who are not disabled and employed is higher then those who are not disabled and not employed.  The proportion of those who are disabled and employed is lower then those who are disabled and employed.  In fact, the highest rating for those disabled is not in the labor force and the highest rating for those who are not disabled is employed.   The truth of the matter is if one is disabled one is more likely not to even be in the labor force at all.

The truth of the matter is this actually makes perfect sense.  Employers are going to hire those who will benefit their company.  If one is slower then average in mind and productivity you're less likely to be hired by an employer.  The reason being is they're going to want to maximize their profits.  To do that, they're going to either have to raise revenue or cut costs.  If you work slow b/c of motor coordination problems or of slow of mind to where they have to take more time to explain things more to you then the average employer you're cutting into their time and time is money.  In other words, if one is disabled one is more costly to one's employer.  And, employers can and do cut costs and they will cut you as a cost if you are not productive enough.

The truth of the matter is some people are simply to disabled for the workplace and to disabled to be on their home.   Some people do need to be put in group homes and institutions.  And, the truth is parents need to save up a dowry for these disabled kids just in case they can't be employed when they became disabled adults.  This was done for women who did not or could not get married as there was a point in our history in which women were limited in what they could do for themselves.   If I was not disabled and had a disabled child, either I would try to hire him myself and/or do the dowry thing.  And, that is because employers would not be able to accomodate their needs and I as a parent would understand their needs better and be able to accmodate them better.  And, those with disabilites are more likely to sue an employer if things go wrong.  So, they're a liability right there.

I am not talking about others.  I am talking about you getting off your dead ass and work for a living.    Stop crying a river in almost every post.  There are jobs but you have to get off your dead ass, as there not coming to you.  And yes you will start at the bottom like other. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2018, 09:38:31 PM »
I am not talking about others.  I am talking about you getting off your dead ass and work for a living.    Stop crying a river in almost every post.  There are jobs but you have to get off your dead ass, as there not coming to you.  And yes you will start at the bottom like other.

It isn't crying to tell the truth.  Especially, if the very truth I'm stating comes from employers themselves and free market capitalists themselves. 

Employers, CEOs, businessmen state similar things I have said on why they won't hire certain others.  Yet, they're considered paragons of virtue.  But, if I state the exact same thing I'm considered crying and whining.  Another contradiction of personal responsibility advocate values.   

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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2018, 11:54:43 PM »
Dear Parents of Autistic People and others with disabilities

It is time to start laying down some harsh truths!  No matter what you're told about faith and the whole believe in yourself thing your child has a high likelihood of needing supports for their rest of their lives.  Look up the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  A disabled person has a higher likelihood of not being in the labor force then being employed.  Look up the stats for persons with disabilities who are employed.  You will see that I'm wright.  If Carley is right then 75% - 85% of autistic people are unemployed.  https://the-art-of-autism.com/the-employment-shift-rethinking-autism-employment-initiatives/

But, here is the thing.  Unemployed means that they don't have a job and are either on unemployment benefits or are continuing to look for a job.  It doesn't count the ones not in the labor force or those who don't have a job and who quit looking or not looking at all.  Look again at the Bureau of Labor Statistics and you will see that the majority of those with disabilities are not in the labor force and it's broken down by age bracket and this rings true for all of the age brackets. 

It is with great saddness and great displeasure that your child is more then likely will be to disabled for the modern day workplace.  They will not be able to display the professionalism demanded of them.   Look at your child not from a loving mother's point of view or a father's point of view but strictly from the business professional point of view.   If you had a business would you hire a person who was like your child?   Especially, if you can find someone who is more productive, friendlier and outgoing then them?   If a person with your child's disability came in your front door looking for a job by you and he seemed slow in the head would you hire this person when you can hire someone who is faster then them?   I say no.  Now, why would you expect your child to be hired by others for anything at all?   You as a parent need to face these facts.  If your child has a disability more then likely they will still be a disabled adult and more then likely they won't be employable.  Yes, exceptions exist but do you really want to take that chance with your child's life and future?

My opinion is you need to save up for your child in the form of a dowry or get some kind of hedge fund.  And, you need to get them onto social security right then and there.  If they're higher functioning then teach them enough to where they can manage their own household if they have their own dowry or hedge fund.  If you are of lower income then you have no business having any kids.  The truth is we live in a society in which one is expected to help himself and work everything out himself.  Your disabled child may but the truth is if one looks at the stats more then likely they will not.  Parents, you need to face facts and cut out the faith and the wishing.  Your child is more then likely to disabled to succeed in this world today.  Now, you would probably say I'm being to negative.  What do you want?   A negative truth or a good sounding lie.  I think the truth is better.  Research the truth for yourselves. 

Sincerely,



An Autistic Person

P.S.  Before you say well what about IT or computers for autistics.  Thing is, even if I was excellent with computers and programming it doesn't mean one can make it in the industry.   
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