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Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« on: August 18, 2015, 06:53:06 AM »
Doug Ross offers up a listing (with links) of the top 300 conservative web sites. Rankings were based on Alexa traffic, and a quick read-through shows why Ross covered his bases by saying the list also includes libertarian and other sites which do regularly publish conservative items.

It's an intriguing list, with quite a few I'd never heard of, many I visit regularly (if not daily), and a lot more I used to read but stopped following because they veered left and I stayed right where I was.

Go ahead and see how many here are in that last category for YOU as well....

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-top-300-conservative-websites.html

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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2015, 07:14:33 AM »
 
He completely invalidated his point by listing FOX as #1, Alexa wouldn't know a Conservative if one bit it in the ass and branded Conservative on it's ass.

I'd be curious to know what criteria is being used to judge what a Conservative is?
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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2015, 04:48:36 AM »

He completely invalidated his point by listing FOX as #1, Alexa wouldn't know a Conservative if one bit it in the ass and branded Conservative on it's ass.

I'd be curious to know what criteria is being used to judge what a Conservative is?

Ya know, I could have sworn I posted this in another forum but it wound up here for some reason. Could you please move it (even to just the MISC forum), instead of here? Thanks.

To answer you about their methods and keywords and so on, I admit that stuff's a bit over my head, but I do know Alexa was bought by Google back in 1999 and is just about the best at tracking web-site hits. That's the only part of this with empirical evidence: this number of visitors, this number of page views, this number of (whatever your high-cost application is searching for).

If you're after proof of popularity (or number of hits), that's one thing. What this comes down to is what Ross thinks is conservative versus Libertarian versus (Name That Sect). There, it's ANYBODY'S guess.

I admit I had a few eyebrow-raisers as I went through it. Those mad dogs over at Nicedoggie.net (all hail Emperor Darth Misha I!  :thumbup: ) only got in at about #297. I know those guys. I am absolutely, positively convinced to the marrow of my bones and the strands of my DNA that they ARE true conservatives in the Cold-Dead-Fingers spirit that got us free from the Brits. This list shafts them. (Alternately, they need more publicity to rise higher on Alexa hits. It really does work both ways.)

As for Alexa's methods, a quickie search brought up this. 

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=alexa


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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2015, 04:57:49 AM »
That list is weak. 

And what's the purpose of bothering to list them?  We visit who we visit because they haven't let us down in the past.  Some of those sites are huge letdowns.

And where is the black perspective? 

http://conservativeblackchick.com/

http://theblacksphere.net/

http://www.hiphoprepublican.com/

etc.

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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2015, 05:18:33 AM »
That list is weak. 

And what's the purpose of bothering to list them?  We visit who we visit because they haven't let us down in the past.  Some of those sites are huge letdowns.

And where is the black perspective? 

http://conservativeblackchick.com/

http://theblacksphere.net/

http://www.hiphoprepublican.com/

etc.

If you are approaching ANY top 300 list of conservative sites, I agree that black conservatives are under-represented. But from the Alexa rankings, do they get more hits than even Nicedoggie? That's what's so intoxicating about this list. Ross does sneak in a bunch of other sites (but has the Alexa figures to at least show why they're listed).

I found several in this list that I no longer visit. As you said: "We visit who we visit because they haven't let us down in the past." Some, I will suggest, are more than huge let-downs. Some sold out wholesale.

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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2015, 06:01:00 AM »
Ya know, I could have sworn I posted this in another forum but it wound up here for some reason. Could you please move it (even to just the MISC forum), instead of here? Thanks.

To answer you about their methods and keywords and so on, I admit that stuff's a bit over my head, but I do know Alexa was bought by Google back in 1999 and is just about the best at tracking web-site hits. That's the only part of this with empirical evidence: this number of visitors, this number of page views, this number of (whatever your high-cost application is searching for).

If you're after proof of popularity (or number of hits), that's one thing. What this comes down to is what Ross thinks is conservative versus Libertarian versus (Name That Sect). There, it's ANYBODY'S guess.

I admit I had a few eyebrow-raisers as I went through it. Those mad dogs over at Nicedoggie.net (all hail Emperor Darth Misha I!  :thumbup: ) only got in at about #297. I know those guys. I am absolutely, positively convinced to the marrow of my bones and the strands of my DNA that they ARE true conservatives in the Cold-Dead-Fingers spirit that got us free from the Brits. This list shafts them. (Alternately, they need more publicity to rise higher on Alexa hits. It really does work both ways.)

As for Alexa's methods, a quickie search brought up this. 

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=alexa
No, it stays. You posted it in Poli, and since the moron thought somehow Alexa had the ability to discern what a true Conservative is via an algorithm based on traffic is ludicrous at best, like claiming FOX as the top Conservative site is like claiming the Devil representative of all that's good.
Sorry, the whole premise slaps in the face of reality and an insult to every Con in the U.S., and the lib author needs to have his ass kicked for pretending Con status.
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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2015, 06:19:05 AM »
ALEXA didn't do any categorizing, as far as I can tell. They do use algo-whatevers to track web hits, yes, but as for that site's CONTENT, I'm not so sure they're even aware of what the site contains. That's not their purpose.

Whether Ross is leftist, RINO, or somewhere off on Planet Zed, what I believe he did was go down the list of web hits numerically and it was HIS idea of what constitutes a conservative site.

He also DID give a caveat that some were included because they do have conservative CONTENT. That's how Fox got to be #1, because among the TV networks, who else carries as much as Fox does (limited as we know it to be)? It's certainly the most accessible in terms of finding it on cable TV. Most cities do have it, yes?

I won't defend him if he omitted sites with page-hits great enough to beat those he did list. I surely won't defend him thinking a few of these are conservative at all. But I will not beat on him for at least TRYING to assemble this. It's a place to start. It's a light burning in the window for those who want to learn more.

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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2015, 06:57:10 AM »
ALEXA didn't do any categorizing, as far as I can tell. They do use algo-whatevers to track web hits, yes, but as for that site's CONTENT, I'm not so sure they're even aware of what the site contains. That's not their purpose.
That's the point, it's like using libraries as representative of liberalism, because some of the largest libraries are in dense liberal hubs,  one can deduce the bigger the library, the smarter the populace. :rolleyes:
Yes, what he did in using data in this manner, is akin to mixing 10% ice cream to 90% dog shit and claiming it's not only ice cream it's the best ice cream because based on youtube hits, it's the most popular, despite the yuck factor that attracted people to see someone mix dog shit with ice cream, they only viewed hits as viable, never taking content into the equation.

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Whether Ross is leftist, RINO, or somewhere off on Planet Zed, what I believe he did was go down the list of web hits numerically and it was HIS idea of what constitutes a conservative site.

He also DID give a caveat that some were included because they do have conservative CONTENT. That's how Fox got to be #1, because among the TV networks, who else carries as much as Fox does (limited as we know it to be)? It's certainly the most accessible in terms of finding it on cable TV. Most cities do have it, yes?

I won't defend him if he omitted sites with page-hits great enough to beat those he did list. I surely won't defend him thinking a few of these are conservative at all. But I will not beat on him for at least TRYING to assemble this. It's a place to start. It's a light burning in the window for those who want to learn more.

I've no idea what his political status is, but his intellect is that of a LIV. His questionable agenda is what should first and foremost in question as to why he would do such a bias piece in the first place.

Honestly, my best guess is, he has a friend that owns one of the sites listed, he contacted his editor and asked if he could do a puff piece on his friends site, editor refused, with a caveat, editor told him he needed an angle to legitimately promote the site.
So burying the link with many top sites is attractive to Google ranking and boosts his friends site in search results.

Seriously, that's the only way this piece makes any sense.
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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2015, 02:41:46 AM »
Alternately, he was not overtly trying to be biased but he may have been overtly lazy in not checking in on the political philosophy expressed by whichever site is being examined. If you highlight the entire posting, you'll see he did it as a table, and that alone is a real chore. When's the last time anyone used one for FAKING a story? Years? I sure haven't seen it used lately, anyway.

Again: if he deliberately omitted sites with higher numbers of hits than the ones he DOES list? No defense. But the dark unthinkable truth here may be, there are now far fewer conservative sites out there which DO draw large numbers of hits. This list is, yes, SORELY incomplete --- but it's a start. The links at many of these sites lead to terrific but relatively unknown conservative writers.


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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2015, 03:04:26 AM »
List-making is a natural condition of the brain.  It's a way to check yourself, like grooming.  And it carries-over to the curious attraction to view other people's lists, as a sanity-check.

Nothing wrong with the list except for the '300' aspect of it.     

 

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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2015, 04:53:00 AM »
Alternately, he was not overtly trying to be biased but he may have been overtly lazy in not checking in on the political philosophy expressed by whichever site is being examined. If you highlight the entire posting, you'll see he did it as a table, and that alone is a real chore. When's the last time anyone used one for FAKING a story? Years? I sure haven't seen it used lately, anyway.

Again: if he deliberately omitted sites with higher numbers of hits than the ones he DOES list? No defense. But the dark unthinkable truth here may be, there are now far fewer conservative sites out there which DO draw large numbers of hits. This list is, yes, SORELY incomplete --- but it's a start. The links at many of these sites lead to terrific but relatively unknown conservative writers.
It's not that at all, it's the faulty premise rooted in using an algorithm that has absolutely nothing in common with his goals.
This is akin to using the U.S. census data to gauge death rates in Africa, neither have a common core aside from being raw data.
The data is not only incomplete, it's incompatible with it's assigned goal, the only thing these sites have in common is politics.
Beyond that, he graded his measure based on a false premise in using FOX, an Leftist Establishment rooted support apparatus that stands alone in a field of few that lean Marxist, with FOX being the far Right of the spectrum, a spectrum based on the left, not the Right, not even the middle.

This is akin to measuring all Conservatives starting G W Bush as the most Conservative because he was reelected after 911, which has nothing in common, no more than FOX has as being a measure of Conservatism.
Just because it is further right than that of MSNBC, has higher numbers of viewers, including leftists is no reason to make it a measure of Conservatism.
Point is, the entire premise was faulty, based in fantasy.

I'm still not sure the guy even had an agenda in connecting Establishment with Conservatism, or he honestly thinks the two are simpatico.
In other words, he's full blown Establishment and measures all right leaning ideals from that perspective.
Sadly it may have been an honest mistake, a side effect of being a DC Bubble DwellerTM that thinks anything beyond the Establishment Right is Fascism on the left.
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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2015, 10:32:18 AM »
List-making is a natural condition of the brain.  It's a way to check yourself, like grooming.  And it carries-over to the curious attraction to view other people's lists, as a sanity-check.

Nothing wrong with the list except for the '300' aspect of it.   

You lost me at that grooming part, squire.  :wink: 

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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2015, 02:42:38 PM »
You lost me at that grooming part, squire.  :wink:

I know.  Vague.   I should probably say: the categorizers.  People, notably Dems, who attempt to categorize everything. 


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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2015, 06:01:27 AM »
I know.  Vague.   I should probably say: the categorizers.  People, notably Dems, who attempt to categorize everything.
Actually, now that I've actually had some sleep and re-read the above, I think I agree with everything you wrote but got corn-fused about the final sentence: Nothing wrong with the list except for the '300' aspect of it.   

True, Doug Ross could probably have doubled or even tripled that, even the Top 1,000 sites. But as I say, it's still a good start. Wade through the sites he lists, and visit the sites THEY link to. That's how I found Grouchy Old Cripple, a daily read of mine.

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Re: Alexa rankings for top 300 conservative web sites
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2015, 05:37:14 AM »
True, Doug Ross could probably have doubled or even tripled that, even the Top 1,000 sites. But as I say, it's still a good start. Wade through the sites he lists, and visit the sites THEY link to. That's how I found Grouchy Old Cripple, a daily read of mine.

I've never been to Grouchy Old Cripple yet.  I am one.  Well, just a busted leg in 2012. 

My point for him is: just list them.  Don't number them according to something.  Otherwise the '300' becomes indulgently fanboy-ish.

 

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