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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2014, 05:08:27 PM »
Introduction to the Cure:

The human is a sickly animal, and brutal, monolithic authoritarianism is the only possible means to its salvation.  Humanity is largely a group of cowards and crooks that only serve to maim and distort anything that may be considered good or just when they are allowed to function as free actors.  The ideal occurrence would be for humanity to extinguish itself in an orgy of murder/suicide, but as exhilarating as it would be to see the streets of every city run red, and as brilliantly and brightly that the new society of worthwhile human animals would function, most of humanity actually believe (incredibly!) that they are of BENEFIT to themselves and others.

Since humanity is too dense to even recognize what evil creatures they are, let alone take steps to rectify the problem  (i.e., mass murder/suicide), I advocate strict meritocratic fascism.  Global society should be ruled by a group of maleficent dictators, handing down iron-clad edicts, violations of which to be punished by public torture and death.

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Man has been allowed free reign over his decisions for far too long.  In an ideal society, the privileges to choose one's home, work as he sees fit, and reproduce would be granted to him only after he has earned them through physical prowess, hard work and devotion to the elites.  Most will be found wanting, and as such their value will be determined by how efficiently they can be used as "grist for the mill".  Physical labor is the primary work for these men.  Men to be killed off will earn their death through brutal and permanent work.  The second their bodies are fully consumed, their life ends. 

Of course, even for those we deem profitable to keep alive, work should rarely cease, lest these men find themselves thinking.  An unthinking, dumb, "happy" animal is what we should strive for.  For the average man, "thought" is a harmful exercise, and will gradually be eradicated.

Humans will be separated into broad classes: 

1. Elites
   a. Lords -- Architect, Tribe of SuperElites, Regional lords
   b. Entertainers -- those dominant at sport, music, etc.
2. Inferiors
   a. workers (90+%)
   b1. servants (sex-slaves)
3. Death-slaves

Note:  There are various sub-strata contained within, to be discussed later.

Eventually, through many generations, the elites will separate themselves genetically, with ever-increasingly few outliers amongst the Inferiors.  It's true that the Elites will attain their position largely through Architect fiat, but
we will find that, thanks to selective breeding, most will earn their place through merit.

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Introduction to How Our Society Will Raise Children:

The "family unit" will soon be a forgotten anachronism.  The act of child bearing will be reduced to a simple mundane physical act for the vast majority of women, with no emotional attachment.  Obviously, the moment a child is born, he will need to be immediately taken away from the mother, so no familial bonds can be formed.

Schooling:  For inferior children, there will not be much room for what we now refer to as "education".  The primary concern for development will be physical.  Children will grow into strong adults, useful for both domestic work and national defense.  This branch of humankind does not deserve access to any tools that might "elevate their consciousness". No, for these dumb animals, they will eventually simply see it as natural to devote their entire life to serving the Elites, and advanced thought will be seen as totally beyond comprehension.

I think you might have found a happy home as a mid-level functionary in the SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA) under Heydrich, somewhere below Eichmann's level. Eichmann was after all a capable technocrat, rather than the mere true believer you seem to be.

On second thought, you might fit in better with Rohm's merry band of SA thugs. Less brain, more hate. Let's go drink some beer and brag about how tough we are, and on the way to the beer hall, we can smash some shop windows and mug a few Jews.
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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2014, 05:22:43 PM »
1.  I mostly agree, although this phenomenon is found within every current economy.  All sponging should be eradicated.
Yet, still you advocate govt control.

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2.  To a degree.  But your current capitalism is, well, rather fettered.  Wouldn't it be nice to grant business actual free reign to really control and maximally exploit the market?
 
"Your Capitalism?"
So one can assume you're advocating communism again?

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3.  Conservative art is quite pathetic, unless you want to count talk radio.  Liberals, for example, are far more successful in humor and fostering an image of charisma.  This hurts conservatives at the polls, because the average American is far too rich and dumb to worry about nuance and instead will support whoever makes them laugh and smile.  This is another reason why we need to reintroduce some serious poverty to the masses, it will refocus their brains.

This is rather telling. You associate art with leftist drivel out of Hollywood as art.

Think about that for a moment. Just like Muscums claiming it was they, who brought us some of the greatest inventions of man, which is nothing but a pure lie, when in truth, it's the producers/Conservatives of the world that create, while Muscum and leftists sponge off the fruits of the real creators/producers in the world.
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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2014, 06:16:05 PM »
 
"Your Capitalism?"
So one can assume you're advocating communism again?

This is rather telling. You associate art with leftist drivel out of Hollywood as art.

Think about that for a moment. Just like Muscums claiming it was they, who brought us some of the greatest inventions of man, which is nothing but a pure lie, when in truth, it's the producers/Conservatives of the world that create, while Muscum and leftists sponge off the fruits of the real creators/producers in the world.

Why don't they just move if there unhappy.
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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2014, 07:36:14 PM »
Why don't they just move if there unhappy.

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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2014, 08:06:32 AM »
 
"Your Capitalism?"
So one can assume you're advocating communism again?

This is rather telling. You associate art with leftist drivel out of Hollywood as art.

Think about that for a moment. Just like Muscums claiming it was they, who brought us some of the greatest inventions of man, which is nothing but a pure lie, when in truth, it's the producers/Conservatives of the world that create, while Muscum and leftists sponge off the fruits of the real creators/producers in the world.

1.  No.  I recommend that you learn reading comprehension.  I clearly wrote "your capitalism" to demonstrate that the current American economic system hardly could be defined as capitalism at all.  I'm sure you can find numerous examples of the state interfering with enterprise, regulatory bodies preventing businesses from selling what they want to who they want, placing restrictions on who can enter the workforce (the idea that children aren't allowed to labor is awful; in some respects, children have the potential to be elite workers), etc.  Don't you want to live in a place where enterprise is actually free?

2.  I'm clearly using "art" rather broadly, but I'll just laugh if you tell me anything other than leftists have a stranglehold on influence in the arts.  Movies, music, media, etc.  Listen, I agree that Hollywood is disgusting, but it's a legitimate issue for conservatives trying to get elected.  This is just sober politics.

3.  I don't particularly care to compare Christianity and Islam.  Both are abhorrent.  Given my aims, though, I would support a theoretical move to a Christian theocracy if it meant consolidation of power and a real war against Islam.  I hardly think you should see me as an enemy on this issue; I'd love to obliterate the Muslim faith.

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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2014, 08:37:53 AM »
Clarification:  Not only do I theoretically support a massive war against Islam in my ideal society, but I support a massive expansion of the war in "real life".  Muslims are indeed scum and are a significant net negative for society, but as it's near impossible to change the mind of a fundamentalist, I recommend that all those found practicing Islam should be jailed or killed.  The entire Middle East should be reappropriated for our benefit.

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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2014, 09:00:51 AM »
Not one reply contains any substantive criticism.  Please discuss my ideology on its merit. 

I see my thread has been moved to some smaller sub-forum.  That is unfortunate, as this message needs to reach the most minds possible.

There are some similarities between my ideology and that of a neo-conservative.  Once we recognize that, we'll have a platform of mutual understand from which to address the differences (which can be stark, I admit).

I invite you to look at the disgusting behavior of man in a typical social environment, especially in a dense urban area.  Man quite clearly needs to be controlled, for his own sake.  Man must have his needs and "wants" rearranged.  The major issue is religion.  Organized religion is obviously a brutal disease that dumb and scared primitive humans (the largest psychological impetus of religion is fear) foisted upon society, and all current practices of which would be utterly obliterated in an Optimal society.  Once you eradicate religious faith from the mind of a typical Inferior, you'll be shocked at how quickly they start feeling an incredibly compelling faith (trust) towards their new ruler.  Within two generations, a new religion would spring up organically, one fully devoted to the Superiors.  Soon, we will perhaps even be seen as a different species.  Obviously, we will then support and nourish this belief in our workers.  A religious man will do absolutely anything that his gods demand.

Okay, we're joining a debate against your crafty intellect rather than you; the one-thought, state it, move on to the next moment, biologically-individual hominid functionary. 

All your argument is basically saying is that humans haven't fully evolved from the trees and grasslands yet.  Nobody would ever say we're at 'the pinnacle' of development.  Whoever survives last on the planet, wins.  Vegas would probably install the cockroach family as a 6-to-1 odds-on fave for Earth's greatest species.   

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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2014, 11:27:03 AM »
1.  No.  I recommend that you learn reading comprehension.  I clearly wrote "your capitalism" to demonstrate that the current American economic system hardly could be defined as capitalism at all.  I'm sure you can find numerous examples of the state interfering with enterprise, regulatory bodies preventing businesses from selling what they want to who they want, placing restrictions on who can enter the workforce (the idea that children aren't allowed to labor is awful; in some respects, children have the potential to be elite workers), etc.  Don't you want to live in a place where enterprise is actually free?
Oh my comprehension is fine, it's your grasp of the meaning of "your" as in mine was the wrong use, as if you do not share in our system of govt.
See the confusion?
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2.  I'm clearly using "art" rather broadly, but I'll just laugh if you tell me anything other than leftists have a stranglehold on influence in the arts.  Movies, music, media, etc.  Listen, I agree that Hollywood is disgusting, but it's a legitimate issue for conservatives trying to get elected.  This is just sober politics.
No, it wasn't clearly "Your" meaning, but glad to see you expand on the point.

Problem is, evil fantasy sells, good wholesome values no longer shocks the viewer like the trash the immoral left puts out.
There are good pieces out there, but blood and mayhem is what people want, which is rather a sad commentary on our culture, but one to be expected, since we, as a people abandoned God, or rather threw him out of our education curriculum.

Can you say "days of Caligula revisited"?

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3.  I don't particularly care to compare Christianity and Islam.  Both are abhorrent.  Given my aims, though, I would support a theoretical move to a Christian theocracy if it meant consolidation of power and a real war against Islam.  I hardly think you should see me as an enemy on this issue; I'd love to obliterate the Muslim faith.
Man, you're all over the map, aren't you? Your words bellow.

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Man must have his needs and "wants" rearranged.  The major issue is religion.  Organized religion is obviously a brutal disease that dumb and scared primitive humans (the largest psychological impetus of religion is fear) foisted upon society, and all current practices of which would be utterly obliterated in an Optimal society.
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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2014, 01:39:16 PM »
Let me clarify:

Christianity as it is currently practiced is an evil, wretched religion (I include the disclaimer because there is much to admire about the ancient Christians).  It needs to be eradicated.  Islam is worse.  It is a global plague.  In an ideal society, all of these organized religions would be strictly banned. 

Since that is currently impossible, I advocate the US invasion of all Muslim countries. We would rid the world of the source of the Islam virus, demonstrate our might to other states, and capture our enemy's resources.  I worded this poorly in the other posts.

This country wastes untold billions of dollars on frivolities, pork, and benefits to placate the masses.  All of it, and some, needs to be taken away and given to defense.  Why?

1.  It will certainly be needed to financially support such a large-scale war (the obvious reason)
2.  Introducing some real poverty to the American citizen would do wonders.  Think of how the nation responded domestically during WW2.  Citizens will find that they can no longer coast through providing minimal benefit, and a spirit of sacrifice will return.


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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2014, 02:08:37 PM »
Let me clarify:

Christianity as it is currently practiced is an evil, wretched religion (I include the disclaimer because there is much to admire about the ancient Christians).  It needs to be eradicated.  Islam is worse.  It is a global plague.  In an ideal society, all of these organized religions would be strictly banned. 

Since that is currently impossible, I advocate the US invasion of all Muslim countries. We would rid the world of the source of the Islam virus, demonstrate our might to other states, and capture our enemy's resources.  I worded this poorly in the other posts.

This country wastes untold billions of dollars on frivolities, pork, and benefits to placate the masses.  All of it, and some, needs to be taken away and given to defense.  Why?

1.  It will certainly be needed to financially support such a large-scale war (the obvious reason)
2.  Introducing some real poverty to the American citizen would do wonders.  Think of how the nation responded domestically during WW2.  Citizens will find that they can no longer coast through providing minimal benefit, and a spirit of sacrifice will return.

"Christianity as it is currently practiced is an evil, wretched religion"

The above statement requires some embellishment. Please share why you feel this way as it is an awfully broad statement?
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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2014, 06:15:13 PM »
Let me clarify:

Christianity as it is currently practiced is an evil, wretched religion (I include the disclaimer because there is much to admire about the ancient Christians).  It needs to be eradicated.  Islam is worse.  It is a global plague.  In an ideal society, all of these organized religions would be strictly banned. 

Since that is currently impossible, I advocate the US invasion of all Muslim countries. We would rid the world of the source of the Islam virus, demonstrate our might to other states, and capture our enemy's resources.  I worded this poorly in the other posts.

This country wastes untold billions of dollars on frivolities, pork, and benefits to placate the masses.  All of it, and some, needs to be taken away and given to defense.  Why?

1.  It will certainly be needed to financially support such a large-scale war (the obvious reason)
2.  Introducing some real poverty to the American citizen would do wonders.  Think of how the nation responded domestically during WW2.  Citizens will find that they can no longer coast through providing minimal benefit, and a spirit of sacrifice will return.

I see, you hate the US along with the Bill of Rights. How about we just do away with the First Amendment altogether?
If not for religion, the US would not exist, if not for Judea Christian values, the US would never have prospered.
Aside from ignorant, you are nothing but a bigot so keep digging idiot, your time is running out quickly.
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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2014, 06:49:05 PM »
I see, you hate the US along with the Bill of Rights. How about we just do away with the First Amendment altogether?
If not for religion, the US would not exist, if not for Judea Christian values, the US would never have prospered.
Aside from ignorant, you are nothing but a bigot so keep digging idiot, your time is running out quickly.


                             

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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2014, 08:22:06 AM »
I see, you hate the US along with the Bill of Rights. How about we just do away with the First Amendment altogether?
If not for religion, the US would not exist, if not for Judea Christian values, the US would never have prospered.
Aside from ignorant, you are nothing but a bigot so keep digging idiot, your time is running out quickly.

I fully support the abolition of the First Amendment and the entire Bill of Rights.  The concept of "human rights" is a modern atrocity.  Such a concept allowed otherwise valueless or destructive humans to speak whatever inanities they wanted without fear of reprisal.  I hate to say this to this room, but the Second Amendment needs to be tossed with the rest of them.  Guns should only be distributed to the worthy.  Poor, lazy, and non-patriotic citizens having guns is another example of the push towards "equality", which is a rather irrational concept.

Christianity, along with all other supernatural beliefs, are irrational by definition.  Irrationality is harmful for those wishing to establish a much stronger state.   Modern Christianity is especially disgusting, as it seeks to downplay the brutal, wrathful god of the Old Testament (which is exactly what ancient societies needed) in favor of portraying Jesus as a socialist hippie.  And fundamentalist Christianity (and Islam, and Judaism, etc.) is a massive impediment to scientific understanding.  The religious are holding back our understanding of the universe.

Historically speaking, the consensus is that some Founding Fathers were Christian (including Quakers and other pacifists), some were Deists, and a few were atheists.  There was no uniform faith amongst the Founders.  Any dramatic shift from this consensus shows an ignorance of history.  The Magna Carta had arguably more influence over our Constitution than the Bible.  I don't know why any of this is important in 2014, but people still sure do loving their Founding Fathers, as though they were demigods.

I hate that you all view me as an enemy.  We share a number of similarities.  If only y'all could get over your religion, then we could do some real good together.

Edit:  Do I "hate the US"?  No, this state gets more right than most.  Plus, it's a generally nice place to live.  But it's very far from perfect, and acknowledging this does not make me your enemy.

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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2014, 08:56:30 AM »
I fully support the abolition of the First Amendment and the entire Bill of Rights.  The concept of "human rights" is a modern atrocity.  Such a concept allowed otherwise valueless or destructive humans to speak whatever inanities they wanted without fear of reprisal.  I hate to say this to this room, but the Second Amendment needs to be tossed with the rest of them.  Guns should only be distributed to the worthy.  Poor, lazy, and non-patriotic citizens having guns is another example of the push towards "equality", which is a rather irrational concept.

Christianity, along with all other supernatural beliefs, are irrational by definition.  Irrationality is harmful for those wishing to establish a much stronger state.   Modern Christianity is especially disgusting, as it seeks to downplay the brutal, wrathful god of the Old Testament (which is exactly what ancient societies needed) in favor of portraying Jesus as a socialist hippie.  And fundamentalist Christianity (and Islam, and Judaism, etc.) is a massive impediment to scientific understanding.  The religious are holding back our understanding of the universe.

Historically speaking, the consensus is that some Founding Fathers were Christian (including Quakers and other pacifists), some were Deists, and a few were atheists.  There was no uniform faith amongst the Founders.  Any dramatic shift from this consensus shows an ignorance of history.  The Magna Carta had arguably more influence over our Constitution than the Bible.  I don't know why any of this is important in 2014, but people still sure do loving their Founding Fathers, as though they were demigods.

I hate that you all view me as an enemy.  We share a number of similarities.  If only y'all could get over your religion, then we could do some real good together.

Edit:  Do I "hate the US"?  No, this state gets more right than most.  Plus, it's a generally nice place to live.  But it's very far from perfect, and acknowledging this does not make me your enemy.
Your idiocy doesn't even warrant a response, nor justified in giving you a podium from which to puke your nonsense.
I'll do you a favor, and guide too to another forum, though to be honest, even Stormfront will see you for the commie you are.
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Re: A Cure For Societal Plague
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2014, 09:09:14 AM »

                             


Time ran out pretty quick.
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